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Andrew Beall 11-16-2007 08:56 AM

i feel dumb how will u play that
 
vilain playing very tight, i play close to maniac..

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $10.95
SB: $65.55
BB: $32.85
UTG: $13.20
UTG+1: $47.35
MP1: $19.50
Hero (MP2): $80.55
CO: $27.65

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP2)
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $6</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($13) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $6.50</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $15</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $58</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $59.55 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $1.55

Turn: ($132.10) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($132.10) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $132.10 Pot ($3 Rake)
SB showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Sevens) and WON $129.10 (+$63.55 NET)
Hero showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Sevens) and LOST (-$65.55 NET)

yapee 11-16-2007 09:20 AM

Re: i feel dumb how will u play that
 
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vilain playing very tight, i play close to maniac..

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SB raises to $6

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SB raises to $15

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Erm... How are you not beat here like... always?

jamez_kerry 11-16-2007 09:21 AM

Re: i feel dumb how will u play that
 
I'm folding to his cr on the flop every time. It stinks of AK!

Andrew Beall 11-16-2007 09:28 AM

Re: i feel dumb how will u play that
 
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vilain playing very tight, i play close to maniac..

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SB raises to $6

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SB raises to $15

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Erm... How are you not beat here like... always?

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i tought he had QQ or KK and try to see what i got by reraise me on the flop..

yapee 11-16-2007 10:43 AM

Re: i feel dumb how will u play that
 
I think his pf range for 3betting is like AK, QQ+ if he's "very tight". So he can have:

QQ - 3 combos
KK - 6 combos
AK - 8 combos
AA - 1 combo

So: 50% of the time (QQ, KK) he folds and you win $34,5.
The other 50% you're an almost 10% dog to win.
&lt;Does some calculations on a piece of paper&gt;

Overall the play nets you some -$2,5 per hand. But that's assuming he raises here with QQ, KK as often as he does with AK and AA, which I don't think is true (so the probability of him having the two hands you beat should be decreased).

It would be nice if he'd call with the hands you beat, but that probably won't happen as your hand is nowhere near underrepped.

Edit:
&lt;Just did more calculations on paper&gt;
If we judge the probability of him having QQ, KK here when he c/r for 45% the play nets -$6 or so - you'd have to have a sick read to even assume this is marginally -EV, not to mention +EV.


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