Celtics want Reggie Miller
 

He'd be 42 at the start of the season.

There are also unconfirmed reports they're talking to both Cazzie and Bill Russell.

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I guess when everybody told Ainge the Celts had to get older he took it seriously.

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Hey Andy, nice to see you're still around. All your Yankee friends think you're in witness protection or something.

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If the Celtics employ Reggie Miller in any capacity I will become a Knicks fan. Not joking.

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If the Celtics employ Reggie Miller in any capacity I will become a Knicks fan. Not joking.

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LOL WTF?

It is super retarded for them to consider this. I'm an NBA historian of sorts and I can't remember this ever being successful. Actually the best example that comes to mind is Dave Cowens, but like Reggie he was a career player with one team, then he came back with another and that kind of sullied his legacy IMO (see also Jordan, Michael).

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Now they just need Barkley on the inside

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the only players i hate more than reggie miller are john stockton and karl malone

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Bill Simmonds wrote a column saying the ONLY player ever to shoot better after he turned 34 other than Ray Allen was Reggie Miller.

Might work.

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Actually yeah, it's not a terrible idea so I'm temporarily changing my mind and reserve the right to change it back.

If it doesn't work, sit him. His whole career has been catch and shoot after rubbing off of 17 screens, but I'd be concerned about him being a defensive liability. The good news is he's always been rail thin, if he stayed that way in retirement he may have decent foot speed and ability to stay with slower guards, or just put him on 3s and let Ray Allen or someone handle the faster player.

Why NT!, a guy from Boston, hates two players from Utah more than anyone else is something that I hope he explains.

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Meh. He's a poor man's Eddie House at this point in his career.

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because they are a couple of scummy, dirty bastards that's why.

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I got called Stockton at the playground a few hours ago when I dropped a little 12 foot floater in the lane. Probably the highlight of my sactown hoops career. [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Stockton.

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As a lifelong Pacers fan the thought of Miller in another uniform hurts, but the Pacers are borderline unwatchable at this point anyway.

If Reggie wants to pull a Ray Borque, I'll cheer root for him as hard as ever. The guy played as hard as as could for the whole time he was here, he has earned the right to chase the ring if he so desires.

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At least this would get him out of the studio for a year.

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Bill Simmonds wrote a column saying the ONLY player ever to shoot better after he turned 34 other than Ray Allen was Reggie Miller.

Might work.

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That isn't true. After 34 he had one season where his TS% was better than his career average.

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As a Knicks fan I hated Reggie, but he was damn good. I don't know what to think about this, since he is 42 and not sure how he will play when/if he comes back.

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As a lifelong Pacers fan the thought of Miller in another uniform hurts, but the Pacers are borderline unwatchable at this point anyway.

If Reggie wants to pull a Ray Borque, I'll cheer root for him as hard as ever. The guy played as hard as as could for the whole time he was here, he has earned the right to chase the ring if he so desires.

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This is so very very true, especially the part about the Pacers being unwatchable. Jermaine's headed out, so its back to the drawing board.

Reggie is a scorer. He's not a defender at this time unless he's kept himself beyond immaculate shape. He's not quick, he's not an inside guy, but if you need some clutch shooting in the playoffs...well, the jumper probably hasn't gone away. Like tuq said, I just wouldn't want to see this "experiment" sully his legacy in the NBA. Watching him lead the Pacers as contenders was a highlight of my sports life.

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I love it when legends come back and try and make it work.


Franco Harris on the Seahawks, Willie Mays with the Mets. LOL.

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I love it when legends come back and try and make it work.


Franco Harris on the Seahawks, Willie Mays with the Mets. LOL.

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Gary Payton and Alonzo are about as close as it gets to being done but still trying for one more chance at a ring.
though Mourning is still crazy good with one kidney and being like 40 years old

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but like Reggie he was a career player with one team, then he came back with another and that kind of sullied his legacy IMO (see also Jordan, Michael).

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It might have sullied his legacy, but he was still one of the best 20 players in the league even during his last year (speaking of Jordan). And the Celts have a lot better chance at a Ring than the Wiz did. I don't see the problem with this at all.

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Bill Simmonds wrote a column saying the ONLY player ever to shoot better after he turned 34 other than Ray Allen was Reggie Miller.

Might work.

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That isn't true. After 34 he had one season where his TS% was better than his career average.

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Simmons got misquoted here. He said something along the lines of Miller is the only player of that sort of skill set to not see a sharp decline in skills after 32.

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i think he'd be a great role player. celts fans should be happy

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I got called Stockton at the playground a few hours ago when I dropped a little 12 foot floater in the lane. Probably the highlight of my sactown hoops career. [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Stockton.

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man, if only people ever related my bball skills to stock, id be so happy. sadly im mroe like charles oakley.

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but like Reggie he was a career player with one team, then he came back with another and that kind of sullied his legacy IMO (see also Jordan, Michael).

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It might have sullied his legacy, but he was still one of the best 20 players in the league even during his last year (speaking of Jordan). And the Celts have a lot better chance at a Ring than the Wiz did. I don't see the problem with this at all.

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lol?

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I dont know why people have a problems with legends hanging on and at some point sucking. If I had my choice Id ather go out like Mays than Elway. Atleast I know I have nothing left at all. I wouldn't want to wonder about this 20 years later.

Noone ever mentions when guys who stick around are still good for a while because eventually they suck so people just mention how their reputation is tainted. Lots of people said Jordan shouldnt come back the first time. People thought Clemens was done when he left Boston. If someone still enjoys playing the game and can play it at a professional level (not at his old great level, but if someone is good enough to be a fourth outfielder or whatever) and still wants to play good for them.
As a Knicks hater I hope Miller comes back and [censored] on them some more.

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Bill Simmonds wrote a column saying the ONLY player ever to shoot better after he turned 34 other than Ray Allen was Reggie Miller.

Might work.

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That must be a cool time machine, considering Ray Allen is 32 years old.

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Might not be a bad idea . . .

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Your point is a good one, but Willie Mays is not an apt example. He wasn't attempting a comeback, he was at the end of his career, and all parties thought it would be nice if he ended it where he began, in New York.

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I dont know why people have a problems with legends hanging on and at some point sucking. If I had my choice Id ather go out like Mays than Elway. Atleast I know I have nothing left at all. I wouldn't want to wonder about this 20 years later.

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Because it's elegant to go out on top, not so much when you're so slow in the outfield that people can hear you creak, or you're getting 10 MPG and riding the pine and your most tangible asset is "clubhouse leadership".

At my age the Kareem I grew up with is the guy who was an average center on the best team in the 80s, not the guy who terrorized the NBA and was its best player in the 70s. Speaking of all-time leaders, it's the same thing with Pete Rose - I remember him as an old guy who was a marginal hitter, not the guy who averaged .320 and gave you 200+ hits/season.

I also think they're sticking around past their expiration date has more to do with it being the thing they know, that they're known for, excel at, and the one place they feel at home than it does having enough foresight to think twenty years down the line to "what if?"

I personally consider it a travesty that Jordan came out of retirement that second time, even more so since it wasn't with the Bulls. Remember the first time he came back? SI led with "I'm Back" as their cover story and it's all anyone could talk about. Everyone tuned in to watch a rusty MJ wearing #45 lay bricks on the Pacers on that Sunday afternoon. The second time he came back was in the wake of 09/11 and maybe that was part of the reason but it literally barely made national headlines.

It's just sad how many players fade away instead of going out on top. Now, I consider going out on top as having close to their peak skills and/or winning a title in their final season. For this reason Sandy Koufax, Bill Russell, Elway, Jim Brown and Ray Borque all qualify. Jordan would have were his final shot that shove off of Bryon Russell and sweet jumper from the top of the key in 1998.

Reggie Miller actually could make this list too, or at least get honorable mention. After the Palace Brawl suspensions the Pacers became a mediocre team and he stepped up in the absence of others and had a memorable playoffs too. But he will be removed from consideration if he rides the pine in Boston or if they don't win the title.

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Lifelong Reggie fan.

I cried when Reggie said (para) "As much as you've been happy to have me, I've been proud to be a Pacer...and a Hoosier". The thought of him in another uniform is sickening, but I hope he does whatever makes him happy (he could come back to the Pacers you know, maybe get us up to a .500 team).

Also, I never got the Reggie hate, except from NT who's a douche anyway. The guy was a trash-talker on the court (there are worse crimes) and a great guy and model citizen off. Class act all the way.

Cody

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I always liked Reggie. I wouldn't mind having him in Green as long as he rarely played and basically just gave the team even more experience in crunch time.

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Lots of people said Jordan shouldnt come back the first time.

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WTF are you talking about? No reasonable person thought this at all.


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Tuck,

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The second time he came back was in the wake of 09/11 and maybe that was part of the reason but it literally barely made national headlines.


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WTF are you talking about? It was huge news for months when Jordan was considering coming back for the Wiz.

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NoodleMan,

That's just not the way I remember it at all, particularly in comparison to the first return. It could be that it was big news just before 09/11 but he made the announcement just after and IIRC ESPN.com didn't even lead with the story, they kept it on the sidebar.

It also could be that it was bigger news where you were at the time (presumably Indiana, home of basketball and abutting Chicago) than out here. But the first one was a huge national deal for sure.

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Tug,

I was going to school in Chicago at the time, which definitely had more interest in the comeback than most cities but it was all over espn. They reported all his summer workouts and pickup games, do you not remember hearing all about Artest breaking his ribs?

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Hmmm, could just be I'm mis-remembering it though but that's my impression, and six years worth of heavy drinking since then has probably impacted my memory.

Yeah, I remember the Artest thing.

I don't know how old you are (not a dig) but if you remember his first comeback in early 1995 I hope you'll at least concur that the press coverage was WAY bigger for the first comeback, perhaps due in part to the fact that it was during the NBA season.

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Bring Back Lou Roe!

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Hmmm, could just be I'm mis-remembering it though but that's my impression, and six years worth of heavy drinking since then has probably impacted my memory.

Yeah, I remember the Artest thing.

I don't know how old you are (not a dig) but if you remember his first comeback in early 1995 I hope you'll at least concur that the press coverage was WAY bigger for the first comeback, perhaps due in part to the fact that it was during the NBA season.

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Obv the first comeback was much bigger, likely due to the in season nature and the fact that he was rejoining a playoff contender.

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I liked MJ's comebacks. The fact that he came back to the Wiz and had a couple of "sub-par" seasons and is still the career leader in PER further cements his legacy.

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so jordan or kareem shouldnt play because their talent drops off (jordan still a good player and kareem an average center) because other people don't want to see them with diminished skills? [censored] that- if someone is still good enough to play professionally and thats what they want to do let them.

By the way a lot of people though Jordan was gonna suck when he made his first comeback.