Was I wrong to move all in
 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t3000 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB (t20712)
UTG (t6415)
UTG+1 (t32388)
MP1 (t86402)
MP2 (t12290)
MP3 (t38550)
Hero (t10333)
Button (t33989)
SB (t6900)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t6000</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t10033</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls t4033.

Flop: (t22166) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t22166) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t22166) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t22166

MP3 wins pot with Fullhouse 88 444

Should I have folded, called or made the all in move preflop?

Re: Was I wrong to move all in
 

i thinksit was standard to move in there ... no need to worry - a10 a reasonable hand and you have no time to wait, big stack is also 13 bb short so his range seems wide

Re: Was I wrong to move all in
 

Super standard all in.

Re: Was I wrong to move all in
 

3 BBs...right play...learn to flop better

Re: Was I wrong to move all in
 

The only question is how did you get so short? Did you recently lose a pot for most of your stack? If not, you should've been open pushing earlier/wider before you got so short.

Re: Was I wrong to move all in
 

6 hands until you are blinded away, so you need to gamble, and AT is a good hand therefor.

Re: Was I wrong to move all in
 

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t3000 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB (t20712)
UTG (t6415)
UTG+1 (t32388)
MP1 (t86402)
MP2 (t12290)
MP3 (t38550)
Hero (t10333)
Button (t33989)
SB (t6900)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T, A.
4 folds, MP3 raises to t6000, Hero raises to t10033, 3 folds, MP3 calls t4033.

Flop: (t22166) 4, 4, Q (2 players)

Turn: (t22166) 4 (2 players)

River: (t22166) 3 (2 players)

Final Pot: t22166

MP3 wins pot with Fullhouse 88 444

Should I have folded, called or made the all in move preflop?

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Ok I have been reading and looking into the math of this decision.

MP3 is a late middle position. He only raises to 6000 (the min). What does his 6000 raise mean? I think it means he wants a caller. I cant call here that is out of the question. However If I move all in i am giving him very good odds to call. (99% of the time players will call here regardless of the odds anyways).

The Odds

Pot including antes, blinds, my stack and his raise = 22183

For him to call= 4333

Pot odds = 22183/4333= about 5 to 1 or 17%

He only needs a hand that has about a 17% chance or higher of winning. He can call with any hand.

I thought a big part of no limit was about controlling peoples odds?

The other way around i act first but with a worse hand.

I am now MP3 and MP3 takes my position on the table.

I move in blind. (don't know what I got) I move all in for 10333. Acting first I may win the pot right here (not likely) but theres still that chance.

Mp3 has to make a decision. He really doesn't know what I have. (and neither do I lol). It costs him 10333 to call.

Pot odds Pot = 16183/ call = 10333 = 1.5 to 1 or 40%.

Now also if he just calls the BB SB or button may call behind him or re raise. If he re raises,he will be risking his stack because there is still three players to act behind him. In the first case the decision was easy for him. Here it is a lot harder. Here acting first I am controlling the situation and making it harder for my opponents to make decisions.

I know you cant be a winner in no limit if you don't gamble but wouldn't I be better off gambling in the second case rather than the first?

Re: Was I wrong to move all in
 

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The only question is how did you get so short? Did you recently lose a pot for most of your stack? If not, you should've been open pushing earlier/wider before you got so short.

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Yeah I lost 40000 in a pot 3 hands before hand due to calling a all liner who had AA against my KK.

Re: Was I wrong to move all in
 

Another thing to add would be If I had something like 27o and and end up beating someone with a better hand that may send him on tilt. Also my opponents wont be able to know what kind of hands that I may be playing.

Re: Was I wrong to move all in
 

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3 BBs...right play...learn to flop better

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What is your secret? I know this skill is a major leak for many players.