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Hebel 11-28-2007 01:18 AM

25 nl horrendously butchered kq from sb
 
I suck

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

CO ($19.15)
Button ($29.60)
Hero ($24.75)
BB ($56.35)
UTG ($24.30)
MP ($10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP folds, Button calls $1.

Flop: ($3) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.85</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $3.7</font>, Hero calls $1.85.

Turn: ($10.40) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $9</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $19.40

djcarter66 11-28-2007 01:37 AM

Re: 25 nl horrendously butchered kq from sb
 
U only suck a buck 85, stuff happens probably could have checked the flop but you were after information the only question is once he gave you the information why call the re raise.

No biggy lesson learned move on.

brasilstu 11-28-2007 01:56 AM

Re: 25 nl horrendously butchered kq from sb
 
It's really not that bad. what do you think you could have done differently oop?

My read, based on the call from late pos and the eagerness to play for stacks, + min raise = villain has pp, hit his set.

you have an open ender, if you'd made your draw on the turn you would have stacked him.

gregorio 11-28-2007 01:58 AM

Re: 25 nl horrendously butchered kq from sb
 
Do you have any questions, or just want us to know you suck?

Flop bet is really small. Easy for villain to raise with air here you look so weak. Definitely call flop with 2 overs and OESD. If you bet bigger on flop and get raised, you can shove if you think you have FE. Any reads? WTF can they limp with from OTB? Button could have 2pr or T9, 98 here.

Check_The_Nuts 11-28-2007 01:59 AM

Re: 25 nl horrendously butchered kq from sb
 
yeah I kinda like check/call more than bet. Doubt he's folding that often on that board to a flop bet.

Hebel 11-28-2007 02:00 AM

Re: 25 nl horrendously butchered kq from sb
 
I have no idea. about anything. which is why i posted the hand. i think pf should have been 1.50, and i should have checked/shoved the flop in retrospect

Effen 11-28-2007 02:03 AM

Re: 25 nl horrendously butchered kq from sb
 
I think preflop is a little irrelevant to his postflop holding, he was calling 1.50 as much as he called 1.25.

Check/overbet shove hardly seems worth it.

gregorio 11-28-2007 02:04 AM

Re: 25 nl horrendously butchered kq from sb
 
PF bet size is standard 4bb+1bb per limper. Shoving flop without reads is tough. You have no fold equity vs a lot of villain's range. Sucks to be OOP. I cbet 2-2.25 and call a raise and then c/f turn UI too. Hand gets tricky if you hit one of your overs. I shouldn't have thought of them as outs. They are real dirty.

Woody317 11-28-2007 02:12 AM

Re: 25 nl horrendously butchered kq from sb
 
I actually thought this wasn't played too bad [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
The flop bet is too small but other than that i don't see a problem with it. You can't bet/3-bet this flop after he's raised. With no reads you get almost no fold equity here and you're overcards are unlikely to be outs anyway.

I like c-betting here and calling a raise if you have odds. Once he raises you your implied odds are good so just play to hit the straight. You didn't hit so check-fold turn is fine.

Hebel 11-28-2007 02:15 AM

Re: 25 nl horrendously butchered kq from sb
 
any hand where i fold is bad imo

but seriously, i guess this wasnt as bad as i thought. i just thought c/f on the turn was terrible


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