New Software. FTP HUD with 3-bets %!! Free!!!
 

Realtime HUD

It's basically a HUD that builds it's own database from Full Tilt saved hand histories.

For a while now, I've been frustrated by not having 3-bet and 3-bet calling % available when playing. Apparently it is is quite difficult to get these from the Poker Tracker, so I decided to write my own HUD/database program. It certainly isn't a replacement for PT. I'd recomend you use the two side by side. Use PT for both keeping detailed records and playing reviewing hands post-session, but I think my program gives you more detailed info when playing than any other solution.

As I said I started being interested in 3-betting, but you can get most of the other stats as well. I've got the positional stats for each player. Here's a screengrab of the detailed stats on a player. For some reason the screen grabber didn't capture the overlays for the other players, but there is a customizable HUD panel for each player and a more detailed display - the yellow panel - you get if you click on the HUD panel.

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8...eengrabhg1.jpg

I've tested Realtime for 6-max Hold'em NL, which is what I primarily play. It works for 9-seat full ring and also Omaha and Omaha Hi-Lo, though I haven't tested Omaha as much. It also supports limit versions of the same games, though I have only tested the limit games with observed hands.

If anybody has any suggestions for additional stats or improvements that they'd like to see - particularly for Omaha or limit games because I'm not really familiar with them - I'd be interested to hear. Also it works on XP and Win2k. I dunno about Vista or windows 98. If anyone tests it on with OS, please feel free to tell us your experience.

erm that's about all I can think to say about the program for now. I have written a ReadMe.rtf which comes with the zip file, but I don't think I'm going to reproduce it here.


Realtime is shareware for now. I wrote it mainly for fun. It is possible I will refine and adapt it for other sites. If I do that I will probably start to charge for it - it depends upon how much money I think I could make and how much of a pain writing protection is - but for now it is free and there is no time limit on the program.

Also it doesn't connect to the internets and tell me what your hole cards are [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] If anybody who knows about this stuff could verify that, it would probably make people feel better about downloading.

You can download the latest version here.

As I said, there is a readme file you should look at before setting it up. It isn't complicated but reading a page of instructions will make it easier

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Mike,

This looks really good [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Also it doesn't connect to the internets and tell me what your hole cards are


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Nice to know, however

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If anybody who knows about this stuff could verify that


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Is way beyond my skills without source and compiler/settings [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I certainly don't mean to imply anything bad by that, just that theres no way I could verify such... maybe Juk with his mad ASM skills could [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


A few thoughts...

No river stats? decided no value to them? I like to know who to value bet hard / fire 3 barrels at, although I suppose this does take large sample size.

Is there some problem with the screen shot? or am I blind... I only see the detailed pop-up.


Again, looks awesome - will prob check it out in the next couple days [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Many thanks,

dave.

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Yeah I wouldn't know how to verify non-holecard transmitting either. I think you could probably do it by seeing whether Realtime opened up any sockets. If it doesn't then it isn't talking to anybody. The nitty-gritty of how you do this is beyond me though.

Alternatively you could just trust me. I've been around here a while [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I could add specific river stats, but I think they are less useful. For one thing you don't get as many samples, but mainly because the way the hand has been played out up to that point influences the river decisions enormously. For now you just have the general agg, bet/call, raise/call/fold and c/r stats for the river. But if there's a lot of demand for them...

Yeah sorry the screen grabber didn't show the player panels. Imagine gametime+ with colors and an option to show stat abreviations.

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anyway to get this working for stars? I have no rb at ftp

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I certainly don't mean to imply anything bad by that, just that theres no way I could verify such... maybe Juk with his mad ASM skills could [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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The sad thing is that it's almost impossible to be 100% sure for any reasonable size application. In theory it's possible to pack something away deep inside a segment and then have some code that unpacks and/or drops it based on a semi-random condition being met. It could take weeks/months/years on a decent sized executable just checking execution paths to make sure this doesn't happen (not that I think their is anything wrong with this app or that many would go to this much trouble to hide a Trojan...).

Blocking stuff from Internet access and using something like ProcessGuard (or a DLL injection blocking firewall) is probably your best line of defence, although some virus scanner may be able to pick up on potential new threads by using a heuristic scoring system (this tends to work better for new [or polymorphic] viruses though, as they have a more well defined set of functional blocks that must be implemented for each and every virus).

Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Stars is next on my todo list. It don't think it will be take long, but will probably be fairly tedious. I'm going away next week and might get to it when I get back in early July.

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The sad thing is that it's almost impossible to be 100% sure for any reasonable size application. In theory it's possible to pack something away deep inside a segment and then have some code that unpacks and/or drops it based on a semi-random condition being met.


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Thus the need for source + exact compiler version, flags etc - if one can read, understand the source thoroughly (probably can't, but after many reads I kinda get FPHG 0.x) - then one can compile in identical environment which should produce an executable with matching MD5, SHA or whatever sums... Note I probably don't know what I'm on about much here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Of course it may not be a worry at all - If this does no injecting / hooking and simply parses HHF files, it can be effectively quarantined as you say with ProcessGuard, snoopfree, and a app level firewall.

My concern (Not really a concern given this is MikeChops, posting under real account - multiply paranoia by * 1000 if new reged user on 1st posting [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ) Is similar to your not wanting to release FPHG source - if it injects to FTP for whatever reason, theres almost no way to tell what it be doing, without source comprehension.


Mike, I will try this, and it looks most impressive. Do not think I am doubting your generous contribution, I certainly am not.

I just wish it was open source [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] How times have changed post RBCalc.exe [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

dave.

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Mike,

On a less paranoid note [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

How are you storing the informations? custom DB? 300K HHF in 5 minutes (IIRC from the readme) is impressive... but surely you are storing for future start ups.

So, standard DB? or just summary files? As in, does this produce another data-source we may write custom queries for?

dave.

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Yes a file is created and stored for each game type (Holdem NL, Holdem FL, Omaha PL...etc) It is a custom format, but if anybody wants to know what's there, I'll send them the Load/Save code.

I scan the HHFs and keep a record for each player of everything that's in the stats window and each game #. So the format could change if I add additional stats. I guess it might be better if I had saved the length of each player entry at the start of the DB. That way I could add additional stats onto the end and if anybody wanted to read the data, they could just ignore it stuff that was added after they wrote their prog...

There's also a Save As Text menu option. It dumps the stats for each player as one huge text file.

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So this only works if you have this running while playing? Like, it can't read all the hands I have previously datamined right because it has no connection with PT?

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So this only works if you have this running while playing? Like, it can't read all the hands I have previously datamined right because it has no connection with PT?

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IIRC you can if you have the old HHF (or whatever FT uses) files saved somewhere.

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Ahh I delete them after every 2-3 days [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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do you have postgres DB? It saves them in the hand_history table (access saves them in hhdb.mdb), but only if you didn't tell it not to.

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Can't wait for Stars support. Awesome program!

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hey , program looks really great thx !! but im getting an error everytime i want to add the hands i already have stored in PT its most of the time at the same hand ( smthng like 70K) , i have WinXP

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5...0108zd0.th.jpg

link to txt file not sure if it helps u : http://rapidshare.com/files/39211910...ompat.txt.html

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Nice... Does this work on heads-up tables?

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do you have postgres DB? It saves them in the hand_history table (access saves them in hhdb.mdb), but only if you didn't tell it not to.

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How could you get this to read the hand_history table?

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If I dump all your HH from a PokerTracker db out to file, will your program read them in? Also what type of db is i.e. access,postgresql?

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Party support coming?

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Awesome piece of software. Be great if you could do a setup for the traditional full tilt as well.

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Awesome piece of software. Be great if you could do a setup for the traditional full tilt as well, or explain what all the numbers relate to in the pref file so we can move them around ourselves.

New version
 

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If I dump all your HH from a PokerTracker db out to file, will your program read them in? Also what type of db is i.e. access,postgresql?

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I should have tested this, but I had a problem when I exported hands from PT and then tried to import them in to Realtime. I'll post a fix for this.

I've also added a logging option. If people encounter errors they can then PM me the last few lines of the log.txt file. This should help me track down what went wrong.

Somebody had a crash when they changed the dsiplay preferences with tables open? TBH I had this happen to me once but couldn't repeat it. I have done something that I think might fix it, but can't be sure.

I need to test the new version but I should be able to post it in 6 hours or so. Just wanted to let you know I was on the case.

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Awesome piece of software. Be great if you could do a setup for the traditional full tilt as well, or explain what all the numbers relate to in the pref file so we can move them around ourselves.

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By tradditional full tilt do you mean the non-racetrack view? You can drag the player panels around using the right mouse button. The new positions are saved in the pref.txt file. That's what all the nubers in the first line are.

The rest of the prefs.txt file should be fairly obvious.

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Arh, brilliant, thats exactly what I was looking for.

BTW, I have done the export from PT to file and then imported and it all seemed to work ok.

PS - I would also 2nd wanting Party poker support, and be prepared to pay for this.

Future versions
 

I'm going away on Thursday and won't be back for a week. I'll look at Stars when I get back. Once I've got that working, other sites shouldn't take long.

There isn't any support specifically for heads-up tables. They are just treated as full-ring tables with just two seats. The panels will appear in the wrong place and it will be a bit of a pain to drag them around, if you switch between full-ring and heads-up. I'll look at this when I get back.

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Here's a new version.

http://rapidshare.com/files/39318200...e1.01.EXE.html

Changes
Fixed edit Display Preferences with a recently opened table (i.e no player panels yet displayed) crash bug.
Enabled import of HHs exported for PT
Fixed import of partial hands. Now you only have to wait until the current hand is done before displaying the player panels, not until the next complete hand is done.
Added log file to help track down future bugs


If you encounter problems with the program please try running it again but this time check the logging option on the settings dialog. This dumps output to a log.txt file. If you could PM me the last few lines of the log.txt file before a crash, it would help me track down what the problem was.

Thanks

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Party support coming?

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PS - I would also 2nd wanting Party poker support, and be prepared to pay for this.

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On the HUD you have the call 3-bet, but the abbreviation is F3 (which suggestions fold to 3-bet to me). Is this just a typo? Is the stat suppose to be call or fold to 3-bet. Just from a quick test I seem to have a lot of people with > 50% call c-bet. The games have definitely changed, but I am not sure people playing the likes of 20/16 through 15/12 are calling 66% of 3-bet over 2500 hands. I can see them folding 66% of the time though. This is far from a detailed test, just loading up 10 tables and looking at the stats, but I have seen just a few of these and they don't look right.

If it is call 3-bet, wouldn't an abbreviation such as C3 be better.

Just another quick point once in a while the tmp file isn't picked up for tables even if you leave it running for a couple of orbits. And also the HUD on some tables doesn't load the stat box for everybody at that table, even when I am 100% certain I have stats on them. Besides if you don't have stats there should still be a stat box, just with everything set to zero.

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I should also have said that I do see over 20/16 type players with more reasonable call 30% of the time. Don't know if that is just how the hands have played out, or if there is a bug in there.

Oh and another thing, if you try and kill the app while the tables are still up you get a runtime error. Not big deal, but obvious you should be able to close the application anytime.

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Thanks for catching the F3 bug. I had thought about making the stat "Fold to 3-Bet" as I did with "Fold to CB" - the idea being that because I include raising (i.e. 4-betting) in the calling stats it is a little ambiguous. I think I may follow through with that on a future version. I had a quick look at the code to check I hadn't confused myself between folding and calling. It doesn't appear so. The stat is counting calls and raises.

I'm not sure what level you play at, but I play $50NL mainly. At that level a lot of people mini-raise or make 3-bets substantially less than pot. If they do that, the call is pretty much automatic with anything you raise or call an opening raise. I had considered testing the 3-bet against a threshold, so the stat would have been "Calls a serious 3-bet".

I guess I might still do that, but the definition is already fairly convoluted as it is. "Calls or raises a 3-bet after either making an opening raise or calling an opening raise." I didn't want to make it anymore complicated.

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Ah I see what you mean about the table not picking up the players immediately. If you see that you can move the table a couple of pixels and the panels appear. Kind of ugly, but it is a workaround until I post another version.

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I play 200NL, so people on the whole have some idea what they are doing. 2500 hands for players are still a small sample.

So can you confirm it is "Call to 3-bet", and that doesn't include getting 4-bet. Personally I think the "Fold to 3-bet" is better, as when I repop it I want to have a good idea how much action I am likely to get.

People who know a lot more than me have posted on the PT forum about what they are looking for in 3/4 bet stats. Maybe worth checking it out.

I think you have real potential with what you have done, either as a stand alone application or getting it put into another existing one. Both the 3-bet stuff and the stats based on position are fantastic additions, which the likes of PT and PA HUD have been slow to look to implement.

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Rapidshare has the worst dam font for for code verification [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img].

I cant stand that site for other reasons as well. I use MediaFire.com personally.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/b...y71/grrrrr.jpg

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Vista no worky.

It says this applcation has failed to start because MFC71.DLL was not found.

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I had that problem on a different Windows XP box to my main pc. Solved it by downloading the dll from the net, not sure about Vista.

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No, it is call or raise 3-bet, after having either opened with a raise or called an opening raise. You are right, "fold to 3-bet" is much simpler.

I put the qualification for having called or made the opening raise in because cold calling a 3-bet is a much different proposition to calling it after having opened the betting. Maybe the difference isn't so great for limit games and maybe I could count different stats for those games?

I read the thread in PT and they seem to be heading down the same route in counting the 3-bet%/call 3-bet%, as a % of the number of times raised. I should say I have done this for all the stats. So for example, my check-raise % is going to be quite different from PTs.

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Vista works.

Can you add support for the deep stack tables? It wont recognize that it is a 6max table. Thanks for you hard work.

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Maybe I am being really stupid, as it is really late here, but will you be including "fold to 3-bet" given they open raised, and if not I don't see why it wouldn't be wanted by people.

I personally think that raising a 3-bet (after being the initial raiser) needs to be a seperate stat from just calling. I would want to know if I repop, how often I can going to be put to the test (i.e. basically put all-in with a 4-bet), just called, or get my opponent to fold. Maybe have 3-bet call as it is, but have a 4-bet stat.

I understand why people want as a % of number of times they raised. For your check raise then, is it % of check raised given the opportunity to do so? And the same with other stats, % that they did something given the chance they could?

Finally I notice you have a float stat. How do you assess what is a float? Is it simply if they call a flop bet, then if it is checked on the turn they fire? Or is it more complex than that?

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Vista works.

Can you add support for the deep stack tables? It wont recognize that it is a 6max table. Thanks for you hard work.

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I thought it did - it looks for 6-max or (deep 6) in the table name. It seems to work OK here.

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Maybe I am being really stupid, as it is really late here, but will you be including "fold to 3-bet" given they open raised, and if not I don't see why it wouldn't be wanted by people.

I personally think that raising a 3-bet (after being the initial raiser) needs to be a seperate stat from just calling. I would want to know if I repop, how often I can going to be put to the test (i.e. basically put all-in with a 4-bet), just called, or get my opponent to fold. Maybe have 3-bet call as it is, but have a 4-bet stat.

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I know what you are saying. I think there is a danger that the more stats that are included, the more cluttered the screen gets. Sometimes less is more? But if a lot of people disagree I'll put 4-betting in - I would say you are going to need a lot of hands before the % becomes meaningful though.

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I understand why people want as a % of number of times they raised. For your check raise then, is it % of check raised given the opportunity to do so? And the same with other stats, % that they did something given the chance they could?


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Yes pretty much all the stats are (times you did something)/(times you could). If you notice the samples for Raise 1st on my screenshot are different from the number of hands. That's because somebody could have opened or limped, before the betting got to that player.

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Finally I notice you have a float stat. How do you assess what is a float? Is it simply if they call a flop bet, then if it is checked on the turn they fire? Or is it more complex than that?

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No that's pretty much it except it has to be a raised pot pre-flop.