QQ in Warmup
 

Idon't post hands very often, thought this one was kinda interesting though.

PokerStars Game #12762188647: Tournament #63956745, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (500/1000) - 2007/10/21 - 15:08:33 (ET)
Table '63956745 4' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: NY Doll (26436 in chips)
Seat 2: Kenny Rap (59625 in chips)
Seat 3: oliveiro (47190 in chips)
Seat 4: beatoss (13347 in chips)
Seat 5: SirWatts (29450 in chips)
Seat 6: HerdFan118 (23375 in chips)
Seat 7: Ganpathy (35393 in chips)
Seat 8: Stunnaf00 (15175 in chips)
Seat 9: ENRIQUEL (59025 in chips)
NY Doll: posts the ante 75
Kenny Rap: posts the ante 75
oliveiro: posts the ante 75
beatoss: posts the ante 75
SirWatts: posts the ante 75
HerdFan118: posts the ante 75
Ganpathy: posts the ante 75
Stunnaf00: posts the ante 75
ENRIQUEL: posts the ante 75
Stunnaf00: posts small blind 500
ENRIQUEL: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SirWatts [Qh Qd]
NY Doll: raises 1750 to 2750
Kenny Rap: folds
oliveiro: folds
beatoss: folds
SirWatts: calls 2750
HerdFan118: folds
Ganpathy: calls 2750
Stunnaf00: folds
ENRIQUEL: calls 1750
*** FLOP *** [Jh 2s 8c]
ENRIQUEL: checks
NY Doll: checks
SirWatts: bets 7000
Ganpathy: calls 7000
ENRIQUEL: folds
NY Doll: calls 7000
*** TURN *** [Jh 2s 8c] [7s]
NY Doll: bets 16611 and is all-in
SirWatts: ??

UTG raiser has been playing very tight, but only over like 25 hands or something, as has ganpaty over 50 hands. Button called my flop bet very quickly. Not an instacall but he didn't really have to think about it. UTG tanks and runs like half his timebank down before calling and then quicklly shoving the flop.

Re: QQ in Warmup
 

Lol. I read this last night and thought that it was kind of tricky. Check back today and see that everyone agrees.

Re: QQ in Warmup
 

I'd fold and be pretty happy about it

Re: QQ in Warmup
 

any chance UTG can have AJ?

i can't figure if its more likely he checks AJ or AA on the flop.

Anyway, getting sick price, i think i stick it in.

edit:

when i first answered i thought the 8 was on the turn, but now looking again, 9T could make sense, but probably more likely from the guy yet to act on the turn right?? gross. i dunno, i still prob shove.

Re: QQ in Warmup
 

Was just playing around with some ranges in Pokerstove. It's basically impossible to weight things properly at all, and based on assumptions you can make it go either way it seems. Let me postsome things and see if you agree/disagree.

1. Button is more likely to slowplay a set than a hand like AJ.

2. Button is more likely to call preflop with a pocket pair than AJ and especially more than something like KJs QJs, JTs or T9s.

Those should give us some idea on how to weight button's range, seems unlikely he'd have less than a J, maybe TT could be in there sometimes but he'd probably have to think a little on the flop?

3. Overpairs and hands like AJ should be discounted for UTG because he's less likely to check those on the flop, and prboably more likely to crai when it gets back to him than call. He's more likely to play JJ/88 this way or something weird like JTs he decided to open for some reason, maybe TT/99 if he sucks I dunno. And AJ obv discounted some more since he'd often fold it preflop. Hard to weight anything here because it's so unlikely he'd play anything this way and yet here we are trying to figure out relative frequencies of these extremely unlikely hands.

Against either player individually I'm getting it in, but with two players to worry about it's a lot more likely at least one shows up with a hand even though neither is clearly strong.

Re: QQ in Warmup
 

Bumpity if anyone cares. I ended up folding, button snap called top set and lost to donkey UTG with TT when he rivered the 9-ball. Still not entirely sure it was a good fold but I'm leaning towards thinking it was. The timing on button's call was really scary to me I was actually a lot more worrieda bout him than UTG. Defintiely a wierd hand...

Re: QQ in Warmup
 

GOD

i was about to post call cause utg has TT but then i saw your post damnit

Re: QQ in Warmup
 

Ya I wasn't going to say he had TT, but some stupid hand which picked up a draw on the turn.