There must be a standard line here
 

I open raise A5s on the button and a 30/20 not-terrible TAG 3bets from the SB. I call, we take the flop heads up and it's A96 with no suits. TAG bets out.

I can see a few lines here:

1) Raise flop. The old fashioned, caveman style "ME HIT FLOP ME RAISE" line. Maybe end up folding somewhere along the line.
2) Play WA/WB: one bet on every street.
3) Raise the turn:
3a) check behind on river
3b) bet river
most likely folding if the turn gets threebet or if the river gets sexied.

Which do you take as a default and why? When you mix it up, what's the mix and why?

Guy.

Re: There must be a standard line here
 

Pretty much always #2.

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Pretty much always #2.

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Re: There must be a standard line here
 

I play WA/WB here all the time.

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Id say if you pick up a timing tell(unlikely) then you could raise IF your opponent knows that you woudl almsot always play way ahead/way behind here

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1 and 3 sucks IMO

If the board is more drawy I raise the flop. But I am not folding.

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I get to the end as cheap as possible. Unless I improve. I think approx 1/2 the hands in his range have you beat...but you'll split now and again by the end. So it is #2 for me.

I assume that when you all say "way ahead/way behind" you infer getting to the end cheap?

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2s way better than anything else

call call raise river would be a distant second vs most, but perhaps correct vs some.

most people will fire KK-TT or even 77-88 all 3 streets but will sometimes fold when u put that raise in and u often lose air KQ QJ ect immediately that may not be able to stop firing if u stay passive.

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I assume that when you all say "way ahead/way behind" you infer getting to the end cheap?

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In position this usually means making sure one bet goes in on every street: call if he bets, bet if he checks.

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I think approx 1/2 the hands in his range have you beat


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I disagree because there are only four aces in the deck and we can see two of them.

Guy.

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i agree we are ahead of his range, but thta doesnt always mean we should raise obviously

the reason we shouldnt raise is becuz a) the hands we beat in his range, underpairs and 2 broadway cards, are drawing to 2 outs or runners, and wont pay off our raises, however they often will bet themselves as we know from all our over aggro opponents and b) the better hands TPGK and sets will usually charge us extra if we put in a raise rather than go instantly into CD mode, so that decreases the EV of any line involving a raise unless we could always fold correctly to further aggression but we generally cant and should show this hand done with as little head ache as possible i feel.

fwiw id fold to a turn screwplay or river sexy here when takin WA WB unless its a known super spaz