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Pokey 02-07-2006 10:29 AM

Voluntary statistics survey.
 
So I've seen a zillion posts asking questions about appropriate levels for various Poker Tracker statistics. The typical response is "it doesn't matter, anything works, concentrate on play, ignore the statistics, yadda yadda yadda." About a week ago Grunch suggested (here) that "someone" should take up a survey to figure out if there are any common trends in the Poker Tracker statistics for long-term winning players. A similar survey was done in the small-stakes limit forum about a year ago, and the results were interesting to most newer players and many long-term players.

So, I've decided to take up Grunch's cause and do a survey.

If you are interested in participating, here's what I request:

1. Check your winrate. Fill in your statistics and type in 94% for confidence interval. If your "Minimum BB/100" is greater than zero, you're safely a winning player.
2. Use Poker Tracker to gather the statistics below.
3. Fill out the form posted below and either post here or PM me with it if you'd rather not make your statistics public.
4. Please keep your data separated by stakes. If you're a proven winning player at more than one level, feel free to make separate posts/PMs about each. (Gah, this is going to suck for me.)

I'll gather it all together and make a "statistics of winning NL players" post similar to the one made by CallMeIshmael in the limit forums a year ago (here).

I've broken the requested data up by where it can be found in Poker Tracker. This is totally voluntary, but the more data I get the better the results will be.

Pokey 02-07-2006 10:30 AM

Re: Voluntary statistics survey.
 
General Info.
Stakes:
6-max or full ring:
Hands played:
VPIP:
VPIP from SB:
Folded SB to steal:
Folded BB to steal:
Att. to steal blinds:
Won $ WSF:
PTBB/100:
Went to SD:
Won $ at SD:
PFR:

General Info. / More Detail
Aggression Factor Flop:
Aggression Factor Turn:
Aggression Factor River:
Total Aggression Factor (not including preflop numbers):
Folded to River Bet:
Check-raise % of possible actions:

Session Notes / More Detail
Standard Deviation / 100 Hands:
Average Hrs. / Session:

Position Stats
VPIP Button:
PFR Button:
VPIP 1:
PFR 1:
VPIP 2:
PFR 2:
VPIP 3:
PFR 3:
VPIP 4:
PFR 4:
VPIP 5:
PFR 5:
VPIP 6:
PFR 6:
VPIP 7:
PFR 7:
VPIP BB:
PFR BB:
VPIP SB:
PFR SB:

ticks 02-07-2006 11:10 AM

Re: Voluntary statistics survey.
 
General Info.
Stakes: 25nl
6-max or full ring: 6-max
Hands played: 19964
VPIP: 30.42
VPIP from SB: 48.18
Folded SB to steal: 75.75
Folded BB to steal: 58.86
Att. to steal blinds: 30.94
Won $ WSF: 43.35
PTBB/100: 10.57
Went to SD: 20.25
Won $ at SD: 49.69
PFR: 14.26

General Info. / More Detail
Aggression Factor Flop: 5.39
Aggression Factor Turn: 3.13
Aggression Factor River: 2.08
Total Aggression Factor (not including preflop numbers): 4.02
Folded to River Bet: 66.91
Check-raise % of possible actions: 0.6

Session Notes / More Detail
Standard Deviation / 100 Hands: 61.67
Average Hrs. / Session: 0.8

Position Stats
VPIP Button: 32.27
PFR Button: 16.3
VPIP 1: 28.71
PFR 1: 17.18
VPIP 2: 26.22
PFR 2: 18.44
VPIP 3: 24.93
PFR 3: 19.5
VPIP 4:
PFR 4:
VPIP 5:
PFR 5:
VPIP 6:
PFR 6:
VPIP 7:
PFR 7:
VPIP BB: 17.37
PFR BB: 6.62
VPIP SB: 48.18
PFR SB: 12.51

Nielsio 02-07-2006 03:43 PM

Re: Voluntary statistics survey.
 
[ QUOTE ]
General Info.
Stakes: 25NL
6-max or full ring: 6-max
Hands played: 7818
VPIP: 29.13
VPIP from SB: 50.88
Folded SB to steal: 89.04
Folded BB to steal: 70.66
Att. to steal blinds: 7.46
Won $ WSF: 33.77
PTBB/100: 19.35
Went to SD: 20.92
Won $ at SD: 56.90
PFR: 5.27

General Info. / More Detail
Aggression Factor Flop: 1.44
Aggression Factor Turn: 1.59
Aggression Factor River: 3.94
Total Aggression Factor (not including preflop numbers): 1.82
Folded to River Bet: 73.35
Check-raise % of possible actions: 1.05

Session Notes / More Detail
Standard Deviation / 100 Hands: 72.82
Average Hrs. / Session: 1.11

Position Stats
VPIP Button: 28.85
PFR Button: 5.68
VPIP 1: 26.94
PFR 1: 6.25
VPIP 2: 24.54
PFR 2: 5.56
VPIP 3: 32.34
PFR 3: 5.67
VPIP 4:
PFR 4:
VPIP 5:
PFR 5:
VPIP 6:
PFR 6:
VPIP 7:
PFR 7:
VPIP BB: 12.92
PFR BB: 5.03
VPIP SB: 50.88
PFR SB: 3.79

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Kyriefurro 02-07-2006 06:54 PM

Re: Voluntary statistics survey.
 
Pokey,

You're going to need to set some sort of minimum number of hands per level if you're going to have any hope of statistical validity...maybe 20k?

I'm honestly not sure even 20k hands is enough....50k might be better, but finding more than a couple of people who've played 50k hands at a level will be a bit tough.

Pokey 02-07-2006 07:11 PM

Re: Voluntary statistics survey.
 
[ QUOTE ]
You're going to need to set some sort of minimum number of hands per level if you're going to have any hope of statistical validity...maybe 20k?

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Not necessary. If you follow the instructions in the first post, you'll only be posting your stats if there's less than a 3% chance you're a losing player. That automatically balances winrate and hands played in a way that weeds out all but those who are highly likely to be winning players.

kolotoure 02-07-2006 07:58 PM

Re: Voluntary statistics survey.
 
[ QUOTE ]
General Info.
Stakes: $25 NL
6-max or full ring: full ring
Hands played: 7375
VPIP: 12.58
VPIP from SB: 28.85
Folded SB to steal:64.71
Folded BB to steal:80.00
Att. to steal blinds:7.08
Won $ WSF: 25.32
PTBB/100: 9.92
Went to SD: 23.35
Won $ at SD: 59.93
PFR: 3.16

General Info. / More Detail
Aggression Factor Flop: 1.51
Aggression Factor Turn: 1.23
Aggression Factor River: 2.11
Total Aggression Factor (not including preflop numbers):1.49
Folded to River Bet:17.34
Check-raise % of possible actions:1.61

Session Notes / More Detail
Standard Deviation / 100 Hands:
Average Hrs. / Session:0.82

Position Stats
VPIP Button:11.23
PFR Button:2.54
VPIP 1:12.24
PFR 1:2.93
VPIP 2:11.19
PFR 2:3.2
VPIP 3:10.17
PFR 3:3.8
VPIP 4:10.74
PFR 4:3.26
VPIP 5:10.58
PFR 5:3.84
VPIP 6:9.48
PFR 6:3.40
VPIP 7:10.57
PFR 7:1.22
VPIP BB:8.90
PFR BB:2.36
VPIP SB:28.85
PFR SB:3.95

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Gavagai 02-07-2006 08:41 PM

Re: Voluntary statistics survey.
 
General Info.
Stakes: $25
6-max or full ring: full
Hands played: 18019
VPIP: 14.64
VPIP from SB: 27.51
Folded SB to steal: 92.11
Folded BB to steal: 82.22
Att. to steal blinds: 10.77
Won $ WSF: 29.80
PTBB/100: 6.31
Went to SD: 19.87
Won $ at SD: 52.19
PFR: 4.01

General Info. / More Detail
Aggression Factor Flop: 4.03
Aggression Factor Turn: 2.18
Aggression Factor River: 1.45
Total Aggression Factor (not including preflop numbers): 2.22
Folded to River Bet: 68.02
Check-raise % of possible actions: 0.38

Session Notes / More Detail
Standard Deviation / 100 Hands: 32.2645 big bets
Average Hrs. / Session: 1.28

Position Stats
VPIP Button: 14.84
PFR Button: 4.98
VPIP 1: 13.68
PFR 1: 5.44
VPIP 2: 13.84
PFR 2: 4.9
VPIP 3: 12.28
PFR 3: 3.95
VPIP 4: 12.50
PFR 4: 3.56
VPIP 5: 14.48
PFR 5: 4.63
VPIP 6: 12.75
PFR 6: 3.13
VPIP 7:
PFR 7:
VPIP BB: 8.59
PFR BB: 3.29
VPIP SB: 27.51
PFR SB: 1.84

kak1154 02-08-2006 12:24 AM

Re: Voluntary statistics survey.
 
[ QUOTE ]
General Info.
Stakes: 50NL
6-max or full ring: 6-max
Hands played: 14,803
VPIP: 33.44
VPIP from SB: 56.28
Folded SB to steal: 71.94
Folded BB to steal: 65.38
Att. to steal blinds: 15.28
Won $ WSF: 38.38
PTBB/100: 10.24
Went to SD: 25.86
Won $ at SD: 46.93
PFR: 10.16

General Info. / More Detail
Aggression Factor Flop: 1.77
Aggression Factor Turn: 1.75
Aggression Factor River: 2.25
Total Aggression Factor (not including preflop numbers): 1.83
Folded to River Bet: 67.84
Check-raise % of possible actions: 1.06

Session Notes / More Detail
Standard Deviation / 100 Hands: 67.77
Average Hrs. / Session: 0.84

Position Stats
VPIP Button: 34.30
PFR Button: 12.59
VPIP 1: 31.13
PFR 1: 12.12
VPIP 2: 31.22
PFR 2: 12.53
VPIP 3: 26.81
PFR 3: 11.54
VPIP 4:
PFR 4:
VPIP 5:
PFR 5:
VPIP 6:
PFR 6:
VPIP 7:
PFR 7:
VPIP BB: 16.48
PFR BB: 5.40
VPIP SB: 56.28
PFR SB: 8.09

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jsnipes28 02-08-2006 12:50 AM

Re: Voluntary statistics survey.
 
[ QUOTE ]
General Info.
Stakes:100NL
6-max or full ring:6MAX
Hands played:28,199
VPIP:25.28
VPIP from SB:46.63
Folded SB to steal:79.46
Folded BB to steal:74.75
Att. to steal blinds:23.55
Won $ WSF:34.34
PTBB/100:10.25
Went to SD:22.96
Won $ at SD:54.78
PFR:10.68

General Info. / More Detail
Aggression Factor Flop:3.20
Aggression Factor Turn:2.13
Aggression Factor River:2.04
Total Aggression Factor (not including preflop numbers):2.46
Folded to River Bet:64.48
Check-raise % of possible actions:.80

Session Notes / More Detail
Standard Deviation / 100 Hands:42.4
Average Hrs. / Session:.54

Position Stats
VPIP Button:25.8
PFR Button:15.92
VPIP 1:23.3
PFR 1:15.61
VPIP 2:20.52
PFR 2:11.72
VPIP 3:17.25
PFR 3:7.41
VPIP 4:
PFR 4:
VPIP 5:
PFR 5:
VPIP 6:
PFR 6:
VPIP 7:
PFR 7:
VPIP BB:14.59
PFR BB:5.58
VPIP SB:45.9
PFR SB:5.32

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According to the True Winrate calculator my highest posible winrate is 15 bb/100 and my minimum is 5.5 bb/100.

Hope these help with the study.


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