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STOPRAKEGREED 11-27-2007 05:11 PM

Why online poker sucks.
 
Why does online poker suck? One reason often given is that the players are better. This is true, but this is in turn due to the extremely high rake. Consider a .01-.02 PLO game on UB. If a big pot comes down, say $16 bucks, the site takes $1 or 50 times the big blind. FIFTY TIMES THE BIG BLIND!!! And other sites and other limits you see much the same. On full tilt, they will rake $3 in a .50-1 PLO game. This in a game where most matchups are 60-40. Stars the same crap. So obviously the sites have decided that they are going to take all of the low-mid limit money for themselves. Better to satisfy their own shameless greed and seemingly better to avoid having to scramble to find middle men to cut too many checks and draw attention. (Was perhaps cowardice the main reason Party left the US market?) I've been playing online poker since the days of Planet Poker and I've watched the tide rise and fall. I've played millions of hands of poker online. I've seen truly great players move from brick and mortar to online, crush online, struggle and then give up online. Really, look at all the full tilt pros who have been all over the magazines playing at what, especially now, are extremely modest stakes. If they are so good, why don't the play bigger? Many of them are actually quite good, but the games suck so they have to play low. If you don't say that the humongous rake destroyed mid-limit online poker then you are either a fool or on the payroll.

Rek 11-27-2007 05:15 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
Feel better after getting that off your chest?

STOPRAKEGREED 11-27-2007 05:20 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
lol. best response. marginally. i'll go have a smoke now.

sethypooh21 11-27-2007 05:40 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
Oh Noes! Poker Sites make money providing a service people are willing to pay for.

Where is the Film Cannister for god's sake, OP?

LateNiteRush 11-27-2007 05:41 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
All I can say is "wow"

DMoogle 11-27-2007 05:43 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
You've played millions of hands online and you're talking about rake at nanolimits?

Hi FGators.

STOPRAKEGREED 11-27-2007 05:46 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
.5-1 plo is not nano limit. David Chiu plays 1-2

DMoogle 11-27-2007 05:51 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
Oh, I didn't read your entire OP... it's difficult to read in the format it's in. Also 1-2 is considering small stakes.

Please post a PT screenshot and/or graph of your millions of hands played.

STOPRAKEGREED 11-27-2007 05:53 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
in plo it is mid limit. not low or nano.

Wires 11-27-2007 06:00 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
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in plo it is mid limit. not low or nano.

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So 2/4PLO is high-stakes obv.


STOPRAKEGREED 11-27-2007 06:01 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
2-4 is mid also.

edfurlong 11-27-2007 06:02 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
3 6?

Wires 11-27-2007 06:02 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
STOPRAKEGREED,

You're nutty.

Wires 11-27-2007 06:03 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
imo

STOPRAKEGREED 11-27-2007 06:04 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
Why does David Chiu play so small then?

sputum 11-27-2007 06:07 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
[ QUOTE ]
Why does David Chiu play so small then?

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To pay less rake obv

STOPRAKEGREED 11-27-2007 06:09 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
there's an answer

El_Hombre_Grande 11-27-2007 06:35 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
Yeah. It sucks. I wish Jessica Alba would (censor) me too, but she won't.

Is there a point to this?

STOPRAKEGREED 11-27-2007 06:41 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
The point was the explanation. The rake killed the mid limits. PERIOD. THAT'S THE POINT.

edfurlong 11-27-2007 06:50 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
Have you considered whining about it on internet message boards?

Jorge10 11-27-2007 07:02 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
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Have you considered whining about it on internet message boards?

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This internet you speak of. What is it?

thac 11-27-2007 07:15 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
Are you serious? Have you ever played at a casino?

demon102 11-27-2007 07:34 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
[ QUOTE ]
Are you serious? Have you ever played at a casino?

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from what I hear casinos rape u with the rake

stinkpaw 11-27-2007 08:21 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Are you serious? Have you ever played at a casino?

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from what I hear casinos rape u with the rake

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I hear in some casinos players tip the dealers and waitresses too. Can any1 confirm this?

Komodo 11-27-2007 08:35 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
[ QUOTE ]
Why does online poker suck? One reason often given is that the players are better. This is true, but this is in turn due to the extremely high rake. Consider a .01-.02 PLO game on UB. If a big pot comes down, say $16 bucks, the site takes $1 or 50 times the big blind. FIFTY TIMES THE BIG BLIND!!! And other sites and other limits you see much the same. On full tilt, they will rake $3 in a .50-1 PLO game. This in a game where most matchups are 60-40. Stars the same crap. So obviously the sites have decided that they are going to take all of the low-mid limit money for themselves. Better to satisfy their own shameless greed and seemingly better to avoid having to scramble to find middle men to cut too many checks and draw attention. (Was perhaps cowardice the main reason Party left the US market?) I've been playing online poker since the days of Planet Poker and I've watched the tide rise and fall. I've played millions of hands of poker online. I've seen truly great players move from brick and mortar to online, crush online, struggle and then give up online. Really, look at all the full tilt pros who have been all over the magazines playing at what, especially now, are extremely modest stakes. If they are so good, why don't the play bigger? Many of them are actually quite good, but the games suck so they have to play low. If you don't say that the humongous rake destroyed mid-limit online poker then you are either a fool or on the payroll.

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Thats were the NIT come from. They undrestand that due to the high rake normal poker cant be played, so you simply avoid these situations and stick to the nuts.

El_Hombre_Grande 11-27-2007 08:42 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
[ QUOTE ]
The point was the explanation. The rake killed the mid limits. PERIOD. THAT'S THE POINT.

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Yeah. That's a really dumb point. Even if you CAPITALIZE IT. There are tons of people playing "mid limit" (really low limit) stakes as we speak.

STOPRAKEGREED 11-27-2007 08:53 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
the live ones pay more rake online every month for their 20 hours of fun.

thac 11-27-2007 08:56 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
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the live ones pay more rake online every month for their 20 hours of fun.

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I'm not entirely convinced that's true.

STOPRAKEGREED 11-27-2007 08:57 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
find me a brick and mortar casino where the rake is 6 times the big blind or 50 times the big blind.

kyleb 11-27-2007 09:02 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
find a .01-.02 plo game in a brick and mortar casino, you idiot

STOPRAKEGREED 11-27-2007 09:03 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
Online poker is a ghost of what it could be and once was. When Party Poker raised the rake in the 6 max from 2-3 and increased the number of 6 max tables, that produced an extra $250,000 per day in extra rake. Didn't that hurt the games just a bit?? The rake killed online period.

STOPRAKEGREED 11-27-2007 09:05 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
ok, here comes the name calling part. of course the games aren't that small in the casino. in the casino, the live ones have to play bigger and you get a shot at that money. NOW, half of the live ones at least play in games that nobody can beat because of the rake.

thac 11-27-2007 09:15 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
[ QUOTE ]
find me a brick and mortar casino where the rake is 6 times the big blind or 50 times the big blind.

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Find me a casino that offers .05/.10 and I'll find you what you want.

Komodo 11-27-2007 09:18 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
Do they rake/pot or per hour in the live games you are talking about?

DMoogle 11-27-2007 09:26 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
I don't understand why rake has "killed" online poker. Last I checked all limits $.01/$.02 to $10/$20 were beatable, even after the rake.

STOPRAKEGREED 11-27-2007 09:28 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
Online sucks because rake greed killed it.

DMoogle 11-27-2007 09:30 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
Define "killed" please.

STOPRAKEGREED 11-27-2007 09:31 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
In Nov 05, Party started taking $250,000 more per day. Didn't that hurt the games?

STOPRAKEGREED 11-27-2007 09:33 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
One big problem about discussing the topic on here is that a lot of people are on the payroll through the sites or through affiliate programs, etc, so of course they are going to defend the present rip off system. Keep up the name calling. I'm not going to budge.

MicroBob 11-27-2007 09:34 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
[x] OP has never played live 2/4 limit?


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