Semibluffing on turn with 8 outs or less?
 

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (5.40 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks.

Turn: (2.70 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 folds, CO folds, BB folds, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 2.70 BB

Results were nice but afterwise i felt i played this hand like sack of [censored]. Would you need flushdraw + straightdraw to make this move +ev in the long run mathematically?

Re: Semibluffing on turn with 8 outs or less?
 

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (8.20 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: (11.20 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 14.20 BB

Another sack of [censored] play with straightdraw and marginal call on the river with top pair bad kicker.

Re: Semibluffing on turn with 8 outs or less?
 

Hand 1: bad play, good result.

Hand 2: Donk the flop. You're in perfect relative position to the preflop raiser and thus can get much of the field to pay your bet then his raise. I can fold the river; something tells me you and CO have the same hand.

Re: Semibluffing on turn with 8 outs or less?
 

Nope.
You would however on an action board.

Semibluffing with lots of scare cards to come on an orphan pot is usually profitable.

Re: Semibluffing on turn with 8 outs or less?
 

1) Check and take your (hopefully) free card. You'll rarely fold out three people.

2) Donk this flop to get bets from people between you and the pf raiser. River is a fold.

Re: Semibluffing on turn with 8 outs or less?
 

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Hand 2: Donk the flop. You're in perfect relative position to the preflop raiser and thus can get much of the field to pay your bet then his raise.

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Can we really do this with a FD on the board?

Re: Semibluffing on turn with 8 outs or less?
 

I guess I need to consider my orphan pot stance here. Draws can't call here in hand 1.

No one has a king at least 85% of the time. Many bottom pairs fold UI on turn donks when an overcard comes.

So I have to worry about a Q or two pair hitting and raising. If they all call, I still have 6 outs to the nuts where I am going to get the semi-bluff back.

I have two outs where I can lose more money than if I check.

So the question is do you call a bet from the CO here if you check it, because if I were the CO I would bet it with anything? If the answer is yes well consider the semi-bluff instead.

If the answer is no then check.

Lot of this is read sensitive. If you play poker without reads don't semi bluff.