Caesar\'s $560: TP+OESD facing C/R on flop
 

Caesar's Poker Classic, $500+60. I'm still not sure if I played this hand badly. Blinds 50/100, I'm in the CO with 2800. Two limpers in front of me, I limp with 54hh, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: 4 3 2 rainbow. The 3 is the 3h. Checked around to me, I bet 250, SB folds, BB C/R to 750, everyone else folds. Hero?

BB has a lot of chips, probably 7-8K (we started with 2500). I think he's a tight, somewhat aggressive player who's been hit by the deck so far. He's shown a few big laydowns. He's bet out on a few flops with top pair. I'm fairly confident that he's not on a draw (including combo draws) or bluff.

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So you made a .5psb and left yourself with 2550 after the bet. The pot is 1k, you are getting 2:1 on your money at the moment. You figure he probably has 2pr here (maybe staight, but you have a 5). On the turn, there is pretty much no card (other than a 2 or 3) that isn't helping you or possibly slowing him down. I think that live I would call and see what he does on the turn. The fact that he can make big laydowns does dissuade me some from calling this raise if he will fold if the 4straight gets there. I think I make the call on the flop (leaving me with 2k in a 1500 pot) and see what happens on the turn.
IF your read goes that strong that he has a big hand I can find a fold here.

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no way im folding on such a fun board. i'd shove

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do you think your equity is high enough shoving this flop? Arent there so many turn cards that can come around that you can take it away with?

btw, online im shoving this, but I think that the passive live play would make this a call.

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i hate live poker i don't even know why i respond to live hands

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didnt you beast some up in TStone this year? I mean I think that it could easily be the right play, but I just tend to play more passively live b/c I cant see this guy firing a 2nd bullet bluff live, where as I can see him losing his stack with one of those hands on the turn if you hit your hand.

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no way im folding on such a fun board. i'd shove

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Since it was such a fun board, I shoved. Villain thought for a while and called with 22, no help for me, gg. Given Villain's tightness and huge stack, I think it probably wasn't the right play since FE was less than it would be under normal circumstances.

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meh at limping with 28bbs here. flop i bet closer to pot and get it in probably, as played i doubt he is cr a hand you are ahead of that much but i get it in.

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i hate live poker i don't even know why i respond to live hands

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all the more reason to shove honestly. Having an OESD with likely even more outs vs a "im gonna trap youuu" overpair is a hudge situation to be in live.

Re: Caesar\'s $560: TP+OESD facing C/R on flop
 

am i the only one that thinks this is a fairly easy check-behind on the flop?

i also fold pf

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I never fold here pf with 28 bb's in the co.

I think you're pretty far behind and he's very unlikely to fold, so I would call and play a turn. Probably folding to a big bet.

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I never fold here pf with 28 bb's in the co.

I think you're pretty far behind and he's very unlikely to fold, so I would call and play a turn. Probably folding to a big bet.

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agreed. also a clear bet on flop, just cause, well, you've probably got the best hand and stuff.

Re: Caesar\'s $560: TP+OESD facing C/R on flop
 

a "clear" bet because we've "probably got the best hand and stuff"?

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probably having the best hand doesn't necessarily mean we should bloat the pot when like 40 turn cards are bad for us

why not check behind and keep the pot managable when we have an ok hand w/ a few almost-lock outs in a multiway pot?

Re: Caesar\'s $560: TP+OESD facing C/R on flop
 

I didn't include this in my hand description because I was focusing on the decision after the c/r, not the decision whether to bet the flop, but the 3 players other than Villain are extremely straightforward, weak/tight players. In other words, check = I will fold to a bet.

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funny how when someone takes the antagonist POV, it's always referred to as "bloating".

"he checked, I bloated, he check raised..."

you bet this because after the flop we may not have the best hand etc etc etc etc etc etc chips begin going in now. call and play the turn also.