15/30 Fun Razz Hand
 

Razz ($15/$30), Ante $3, Bring-In $5 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.60 SB)

Seat 3: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___completes___raises
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises___calls
Seat 7: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds

4th Street - (6.93 SB)

Seat 3: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks

5th Street - (3.47 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

6th Street - (5.47 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls

River - (7.47 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___bets___raises
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises___calls

Total pot: (13.47 BB - $404)

So yea, have fun. Who is nitty and just calls the river?

Re: 15/30 Fun Razz Hand
 

Why raise 3rd? River looks good.

Re: 15/30 Fun Razz Hand
 

Uh, it's 3-handed. Raising 3rd is a must

Re: 15/30 Fun Razz Hand
 

Raising 3rd is super standard 3 handed in this spot, it's ok to call sometimes though. If I were to mix up my play just calling I would generally be doing that with 3 wheel cards as a 7 up is vulnerable.

Nobody yet hates the river?

Re: 15/30 Fun Razz Hand
 

What's to hate? On 6th he has a pair 70% of the time and 2 pair something like 20%. You have to hate the re-raise but he still might have the same 6 or a worse 6. I don't see him with a 7 here because he has to put you on 7432A at worst I think.

Now granted, he could have a pair on 6th and STILL have a wheel...

If raising the river is wrong, then calling 6th is probably wrong.

Re: 15/30 Fun Razz Hand
 

It is impossible for him to have the same 6, either I'm beat or I'm not.

Re: 15/30 Fun Razz Hand
 

To give a real answer I think an EV calculation is probably necessary. But any meaningful type of calculation here would use conditional probabilities, taking into account your cards and the cards gotten on 4-th to 6-th street. This is too messy.

Re: 15/30 Fun Razz Hand
 

He can't have 46 among his 3 down cards? There's 1 three and 3 fours unaccounted for.

Re: 15/30 Fun Razz Hand
 

Oh, um, never mind. Yeah.

So I still think the raise is OK. And if it's not, calling 6th is not OK.

Re: 15/30 Fun Razz Hand
 

I guess I should elaborate because I hate it when people don't, but I suspect you already know what I mean.

If you are calling 6th, you expect your current hand to be good often enough, or your improved hand to be good often enough, to call. You're getting 6.5:2 to call including the end, which he is going to bet almost all the time I think, a little better than 3:1.

You will improve to the nuts only 3 out of 41 times, and to a 6 only 4 out of 41 times. If you don't expect a 6 to be good, then you're calling for 3 outs. In either case, you have to expect your hand to be good *already* a certain amount of the time, something like 15% of the time. You can not call 6th otherwise.

If your hand is already good he's drawing to 6s and 4s. If he drew a 6, you're still ahead, if he drew a 4, well, oh well.