NL10 good draw ip vs. two loose players
 

Ok, some advice on flop play needed!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($9.35)
MP2 ($8.45)
CO ($7.40)
Hero ($14.20)
SB ($1.85)
BB ($1.85)
UTG ($19.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.10, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $0.4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.40, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $0.30.

Flop: ($1.35) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $0.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, (...)

Ok, by now I think I rather should have called.
I tried win the pot right now, but forgot about who I am up against.

Both villains are really loose. They avoid the worst preflop trash, but they don´t know about relative hand values. They don´t misplay their hands purposely but they can´t lay down anything half-decent. So a straight, even the stupid end, may win a lot against, say, two-pair.

However, the straight cards are no clean outs against four cards out there that may be a K.

Anyway, may hand is pretty good, and it doesn´t feel good to have such a draw and wait silently for the cards to come... but w/o good fold equity, it´s the right way to play it, I assume?

Re: NL10 good draw ip vs. two loose players
 

If you have that read on your opponent, I'd just call here. Hes giving you plenty odds to draw and you know you are most likely getting paid if a nice straight card heart comes out if he has any part of a straight. If this opponent is as stupid as you imply, then you won't lose action when a heart hits either.

Re: NL10 good draw ip vs. two loose players
 

Personally I think the flop is a call. If your reads are good then I think you have the implied odds.

I dont really like the raise. If they're loose and dont know when to fold, you've not got any fold equity, which I think eliminates any reason to raise, apart from maybe disguising your hand which I dont think is important.

I think also you need to be very cautious about the ten coming out, you did point that out already though. Having the dumb end of a str8 when the board is 4-cards to a str8 really sucks, especially when the top card is a king =)

Re: NL10 good draw ip vs. two loose players
 

If you were headsup vs MP1 in position here, I would like the raise because his cbet looks weak and I will often raise it even without the draw. You have a player yet to act here and if he is loose he may stay in however. Your draw is not that strong and I would only really count the flush outs as clean. Even those arent to the nuts obv. Villain is making it cheap to draw. I would just call here.

Re: NL10 good draw ip vs. two loose players
 

People like to play A's and K's. Against loose players I'd discount my straight outs entirely. With the non-nut FD against these two, I'd prefer a call.

I would generally raise pre-flop on the button with that hand. It doesn't make enough strong hands in it's own right not to steal.

Re: NL10 good draw ip vs. two loose players
 

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I would generally raise pre-flop on the button with that hand. It doesn't make enough strong hands in it's own right not to steal.

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I din´t limp, I cold-called. You think it´s a fold even against players likely to get stacked should I make something big? Or do you 3-bet??

Re: NL10 good draw ip vs. two loose players
 

Just call on the flop. Your draw really isn't that great, it's basically a bare FD.