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deaders 11-29-2007 11:26 PM

Bluff raise the turn?
 
This hand is vs an aggro but kinda spewy tag (imo) 22/18. My image should be solid but quite aggro, and I had called down a 3 barrel bluff from the same guy 10 minutes prior on another table.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($238.70)
Hero ($643.20)
SB ($211.05)
BB ($80)
UTG ($275.55)
MP ($309.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $9</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $9, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $7.

Flop: ($30) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $20</font>, Hero calls $20, UTG folds.

Turn: ($70) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $50</font>,

Ive already been told 3bet or fold pre, and thats probably correct but I felt like seeing a flop, both blinds were fish too. On the flop I opted to call in position - my draw is nice and hidden and I dont mind it being multiway. So thoughts on bluffing at this turn?

Unknown Soldier 11-29-2007 11:31 PM

Re: Bluff raise the turn?
 
no, K isnt folding

Paul Thomson 11-30-2007 12:10 AM

Re: Bluff raise the turn?
 
stacks kinda suck for raising the turn but otherwise i wouldn't hate it. i personally think a king folds alot.

but our hand is pretty disguised so i prefer calling over raising this turn.

Novles 11-30-2007 12:27 AM

Re: Bluff raise the turn?
 
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no, K isnt folding

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why not?

deaders 11-30-2007 12:28 AM

Re: Bluff raise the turn?
 
He doesnt have to have a K, I think he double barrels more than most. I can easily have a 9 here, although thats a narrow range to represent, I could also turn up with 77.

Paul I cant imagine just calling there, that seems pretty awful to me.

fingersmith 11-30-2007 12:34 AM

Re: Bluff raise the turn?
 
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stacks kinda suck for raising the turn but otherwise i wouldn't hate it. i personally think a king folds alot.

but our hand is pretty disguised so i prefer calling over raising this turn.

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nah, we're not getting paid enough when we hit to justify calling, and we can steal this pot from a much bigger part of his range now than we can by betting/raising the river. it's either raise or fold, and a raise seems good unless you think he's tilting from 10 minutes ago, and won't fold something like JJ here.

edit: actually it does seem possible that he's in "no folding a K" mode but I still don't mind a raise, i guess my point is he doesnt have to have a K a whole lot of the time

Unknown Soldier 11-30-2007 12:34 AM

Re: Bluff raise the turn?
 
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no, K isnt folding

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why not?

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because he's spewy

Unknown Soldier 11-30-2007 12:35 AM

Re: Bluff raise the turn?
 
i srlsy doubt he's double barreling here either

Paul Thomson 11-30-2007 12:48 AM

Re: Bluff raise the turn?
 
i guess it depends. Can we call and bluff rivers that we miss or is that really spewy? i just hate foliding my double-belly buster. i guess it's spewy also because of reverse implied odds of a full house. meh.

Speel Posher 11-30-2007 12:48 AM

Re: Bluff raise the turn?
 
if you just called this guy down, i really doubt he is going to fold to you if he has a king, i think i would call here and then maybe make a play on the river


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