Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!...and Abs, UB, Party...ect.
 

Dunno if this is cool, but the Realtime thread is very long and I dunno if Cake players were continually checking it... It is a little experimental at the moment, but it was working for me.


Realtime

You will nedd the Beta version V1.13d

Cake's history format is pretty limited. It doesn't tell you what type of game was played. I just assume everything is NL Hold'em. So if you play a lot of different games, be aware your opponents' stats could be different. Also I only got around 1,000 hands so it is very possible there will be a problem with a particular circumstance I did not encounter. If you find this, please turn on the logging - Preferences->FTP settings menu. Then email me the log.txt and the last file processed.

Re: Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!...and Abs, UB, Party...ect.
 

I cant get it to do anything with cake, works on ftp and stars for me though.

Re: Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!...and Abs, UB, Party...ect.
 

You have the history folder set up correctly?

C:\Program Files\Cake Poker\Hand Histories\YOUR_EMAIL_ADDR

Does it recognize the the tables in the Realtime window?

Are you playing on cake or a skin? The first version didn't support the skins. V1.14 does.

Re: Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!...and Abs, UB, Party...ect.
 

Sorry, dumb of me not to leave any more info. I had just woken up. Yea, HH is pointed to the correct folder, the game is recognized in the hud but not stats display... tried everything i can think of and got nothing, i am using the beta version also...

Re: Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!...and Abs, UB, Party...ect.
 

Same problem. Can see the table in the window, but no stats displayed.

Edit: Nevermind, working great, just needed a little longer to import the hands the first time. Thanks! This is great!

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mike:
First, I have to say thank you, thank you, thank you. I will also be sending my thanks through PP as soon as I can [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Couple of issues:
Refresh frequency is irratic at best. I've found that I have to open and close the HH file with notepad just to get RT to refresh.

Amount won is way off. Two nights ago it said that I was up ~$40 (not too far off since I had lost a chunk of my early HH files because Vista prevented the SB software from saving the files). After a small winning session last night, it says that I'm now down ~$127. No idea what's going on here.

Let me know if you need any further information or any files.

Thanks

-red

But what about the rules?
 

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Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!

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Cake is opposed to the use of HUDs and other software tools that operate during play. It's one of the things they have done in an attempt to differentiate themselves from the older established networks.

You seem to be a pioneer in challenging their policy. What is your thinking?

I'm not here to say that what you are doing is right or wrong. But I do think we should be discussing this subject instead of ignoring the elephant in the room.

I also think it is wrong of you to be promoting Realtime HUD for use on the Cake network without warning people that it may violate the rules. HUDs are legal (or not illegal) so many places that it may not occur to some people that there could be an issue.

Re: Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!...and Abs, UB, Party...ect.
 

Any chance for support for the ongame network? That would have been amazing!

Re: Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!...and Abs, UB, Party...ect.
 

I wasn't aware that Cake actually took it as a matter of policy. Truthfully I don't see why it should even matter realistically, since they allow you to change your handle on a once-a-week basis if you so choose anyhow, meaning of course that no stats you saved would necessarily help you even in the very near future. It might be useful in discerning the absolute maniacs during a single session, but not necessarily any more than that.

Of course I assume that not everyone is changing their handles once a week, but still.

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Any chance for support for the ongame network? That would have been amazing!

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Re: Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!...and Abs, UB, Party...ect.
 

good news for US players....Cake, AB, UB
I don't even know Cake allows players to change their handle....and doesnt allows tools likes HUD

Re: But what about the rules?
 

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Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!

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Cake is opposed to the use of HUDs and other software tools that operate during play. It's one of the things they have done in an attempt to differentiate themselves from the older established networks.

You seem to be a pioneer in challenging their policy. What is your thinking?

I'm not here to say that what you are doing is right or wrong. But I do think we should be discussing this subject instead of ignoring the elephant in the room.

I also think it is wrong of you to be promoting Realtime HUD for use on the Cake network without warning people that it may violate the rules. HUDs are legal (or not illegal) so many places that it may not occur to some people that there could be an issue.

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I wasn't aware it was an issue. I was asked by Cake players to make Realtime work with Cake and did so. They do make mention of tracking software here:-

http://cakepoker.com/Integrity/TrackingPrevention.aspx

But on the the other hand their TOS, which I assume is the legal document governing what you can and can't do, make no mention of it.

http://cakepoker.com/Legal/TOS.aspx

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In specific, it seems to say that essentially it won't matter if you use tracking software because the users change often. From the tone of their material though, I think they have more disdain for players that have a massive number of stats on players with whom they have never played rather than players only utilizing their own database. Of course I don't really much like these players either since I don't agree with the idea of a huge shared database. Seriously, do your own legwork.

In any event, it doesn't say you can use 'em as much as it says our preventative measures will prevent you from getting much use out of your tools. While this might be the case, I highly doubt the majority change their handle even remotely close to as often as 7 days, and thus stats are likely still pretty helpful.

Re: But what about the rules?
 

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In order to allow players to study their hands, CakePoker stores a Hand History text file for every player that can be reviewed later. Tools have emerged over the years to allow players to better understand their own play by loading these text files for analysis. For some players, these tools are useful to try and learn how to better their play. CakePoker welcomes players to study their own hand histories to better their own play, so long as they do not use tools during game play.

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I think they have made their feelings clear. What they will actually do about HUD users is less clear.

My guess is they have failed to make a clear rule because there was nothing to rule against. Realtime HUD just changed that.

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In order to allow players to study their hands, CakePoker stores a Hand History text file for every player that can be reviewed later. Tools have emerged over the years to allow players to better understand their own play by loading these text files for analysis. For some players, these tools are useful to try and learn how to better their play. CakePoker welcomes players to study their own hand histories to better their own play, so long as they do not use tools during game play.

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I think they have made their feelings clear. What they will actually do about HUD users is less clear.

My guess is they have failed to make a clear rule because there was nothing to rule against. Realtime HUD just changed that.

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I think you are right, their feelings are clear. To be honest, if I had been aware of their policy I wouldn't have bothered to support the site. Thank you for bringing it to everyone's attention.

I doubt they are going to close accounts over this. They would have a hard time justifying it since their TOS makes no mention of tracking software - whereas they do explicity say bots are forbidden. But that's just my opinion. I am not a lawyer and I wouldn't care to sue them in the Antilles anyway.

I think it is more likely they will take technical measures to frustrate users. I'm not going to make any attempt to circumvent anything they do.

Anyone using Realtime on the site should definitely read both the links I provided above.

Re: But what about the rules?
 

Cake still has the same annoying bugs it had months ago. There is no way the programmers are smart enough or remotely capable of implementing measures (other than frustrating HH format) to prevent HUDs.

Re: But what about the rules?
 

BTW, even if they make you disable the HUD functionality, your HH viewer is worth $20 alone. Left click the table stats and browse through all the previous hands at that table, and instantly convert to 2p2 format. WAYYYY better than Cake's nonfunctional HH viewer.

Re: But what about the rules?
 

If they wanted to, they could just not save out the HH when the table closed. I'd look at the bugs, but since they can just take their ball and go home with it, it doesn't seem a to be worth a lot of trouble.

I'm not sure what is going on with not showing the stats until you open the HH file. It certainly doesn't happen for me, but then I only play on fun $ tables - I don't have a Real $ account because it's a pain to deposit. If I get time I'll look at it next week.

Re: But what about the rules?
 

cake users xfer money to mike immidiately so he can check out the real money tables

i would but i play on a crappy skin with no p2p xfers

Re: But what about the rules?
 

It' strange: I opened a limit 0.04/0.08$ table on cake and it showed the stats just fine. But nothing on 0.25/0.50 and 2/4. NL tables seem to work.

Re: But what about the rules?
 

Is there no edit button on this forum?

FL FR seems to work. SH tables don't. That 0.04/0.08 table does work and it is SH.

Re: But what about the rules?
 

What files would I need to save in order to backup my ipoker DB?

Re: But what about the rules?
 

Still works for me on 6m nl

Re: Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!...and Abs, UB, Party...ect.
 

could u make it work for everest?

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could u make it work for everest?

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Re: Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!...and Abs, UB, Party...ect.
 

hi mike, i play Limit 6max at cake, HUD does detect my table, but it doesnt track the hands, it stays at 0 hands and no table display..
i test it at 0.25/0.50 6max

Re: But what about the rules?
 

i tested it out but the stats dont autorefresh. i have to close/reopen the program.

Re: But what about the rules?
 

same here.

Re: Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!...and Abs, UB, Party...ect.
 

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hi mike, i play Limit 6max at cake, HUD does detect my table, but it doesnt track the hands, it stays at 0 hands and no table display..
i test it at 0.25/0.50 6max

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Yes, I have this problem as well. Cake works great for Full Ring limit tables, but (while it does recognize the table) it will not display any stats for Limit 6-max.

Re: Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!...and Abs, UB, Party...ect.
 

Please make this work with everest poker.

Re: But what about the rules?
 

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What files would I need to save in order to backup my ipoker DB?

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Please make this work with everest poker.

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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

edit: in case u didn't know, PAHUD does NOT support everest, so you'd have your own little market with it...

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Please make this work with everest poker.

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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

edit: in case u didn't know, PAHUD does NOT support everest, so you'd have your own little market with it...

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BUMP - mike, what r ur thoughts on this.
i will pay.

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Please make this work with everest poker.

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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

edit: in case u didn't know, PAHUD does NOT support everest, so you'd have your own little market with it...

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BUMP - mike, what r ur thoughts on this.
i will pay.

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I'll pay again, too. Also, I know of people who will pay as well for this.

Re: Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!...and Abs, UB, Party...ect.
 

Does this work for Players Only Poker as well?

Re: Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!...and Abs, UB, Party...ect.
 

Gogogogo mike. Make this [censored] work for everest!

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hi mike, i play Limit 6max at cake, HUD does detect my table, but it doesnt track the hands, it stays at 0 hands and no table display..
i test it at 0.25/0.50 6max

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Yes, I have this problem as well. Cake works great for Full Ring limit tables, but (while it does recognize the table) it will not display any stats for Limit 6-max.

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Try opening and then closing the associate HH file. Don't change anything or save it, just open it in notepad and then close it. That is what works for me.

Out of curiousity, are you guys running Vista or XP? I had kind of assumed that Vista might be playing tricks on the program, but if it does that to you under XP, my theory is just FoS.

-red

Re: Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!...and Abs, UB, Party...ect.
 

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Please make this work with everest poker.

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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

edit: in case u didn't know, PAHUD does NOT support everest, so you'd have your own little market with it...

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BUMP - mike, what r ur thoughts on this.
i will pay.

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Re: Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!...and Abs, UB, Party...ect.
 

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hi mike, i play Limit 6max at cake, HUD does detect my table, but it doesnt track the hands, it stays at 0 hands and no table display..
i test it at 0.25/0.50 6max

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Yes, I have this problem as well. Cake works great for Full Ring limit tables, but (while it does recognize the table) it will not display any stats for Limit 6-max.

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Try opening and then closing the associate HH file. Don't change anything or save it, just open it in notepad and then close it. That is what works for me.

Out of curiousity, are you guys running Vista or XP? I had kind of assumed that Vista might be playing tricks on the program, but if it does that to you under XP, my theory is just FoS.

-red

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This trick unfortunately does not work for me. BTW, I use XP.

Re: Realtime HUD now supporting Cake!...and Abs, UB, Party...ect.
 

I just started using the HUD. I've been playing at Cake since June and it's great to have some stats. Things seem to be working pretty well, except sometimes I get multiple sets of stats appearing for 1 player, including my own. Once tonite, I had three sets of stats for each person. Also, at one point my computer started to freeze up just a bit. Overall though, I'm thrilled...plus the HH converter is a great perk too! thanks!