25/50NL HU >300BB Deep Tough River Spot
 

Villain is a tough, tricky, aggressive player. He certainly isn't afraid to make big bluffs, although in this HU session he has been less aggressive and hasn't splashed around in as many pots as usual.

We have a lot of history together HU. Specifically, he loves checking big hands to me on the river. I have paid him off a couple times when he has made big c/r on the river, but I have never caught him bluffing when he takes that river line.

I'm not really interested in any street but the river, but feel free to comment on other streets.

Effective stacks are $16500

I raise to 150 PF w/ T4hh, he flats. (300)

Flop is 9h 6c 5h

He checks, I lead for 250, he makes it 750, I make it 2050, he calls. (4400)

Turn 6h, putting the 3 flush out. It goes check check.

River is the Ac. He checks quickly, I think for about 20 seconds and then bet 3400. He thinks for about 40 seconds until his time bank starts to run and then makes it 12400, leaving himself about 1700.

Call or fold?

Re: 25/50NL HU >300BB Deep Tough River Spot
 

seems like a fairly standard fold

Re: 25/50NL HU >300BB Deep Tough River Spot
 

nasty spot. aren't we going to see a flopped straight here a lot of the time? i think with you 3-betting the flop and checking the turn i don't think he can put you on a flush and i would think he would lead the river with a hand better than ours with the river being an A because we would be very likely to call a "bluff" and probably check down anything worse.

Re: 25/50NL HU >300BB Deep Tough River Spot
 

I'm checking back this river. Given his propensity to check-raise you, essentially w/ the nuts, AND the fact that you've not caught him bluffing EVER in this spot. I don't think I need to find any value on 5th street, as my flush wants a showdown.

Re: 25/50NL HU >300BB Deep Tough River Spot
 

checking riv here would be awful in a standard hsnl hu supermatch.

Re: 25/50NL HU >300BB Deep Tough River Spot
 

I would rather b/f turn than b/f river here. It's not like your hand can improve at all on river, and from your OP you dont make a mention of villain heavily donkbetting rivers after you show weakness. If you are planning on getting only 1 more street of value against a heavy river CR-er, might as well get value on turn. Would you check turn with nutflush against villain?

From your read on villain, I guess it depends on villain's ability to turn weaker-made hands (like 2 pair) into bluffs this deep.

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I'm checking back this river. Given his propensity to check-raise you, essentially w/ the nuts, AND the fact that you've not caught him bluffing EVER in this spot. I don't think I need to find any value on 5th street, as my flush wants a showdown.

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I'm a losing 25/50 player but arent we losing ALOT of value doing this? It is not like this guy is moving in every time we bet in this spot..

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I would rather b/f turn than b/f river here.

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wowowowowow.

sorry but who are you? this is just absurd.

Re: 25/50NL HU >300BB Deep Tough River Spot
 

i don't get it... you say you guys have a lot of history and you've never caught him check-raising the river as a bluff, yet you don't know what to do with a ten high flush on a paired board?

given the information you provided i'd fold without much regret, but if this is ever a call, i don't see how anyone else would be able to tell you so rather than you knowing yourself since you're the one with all the history/experience playing villain

edit: and i would bet this river 110% of the time

Re: 25/50NL HU >300BB Deep Tough River Spot
 

after reading the replies, i have deemed that hsnl has gone the way of sttf 2 years ago. its sad, i loved both forums, now they are both complete [censored].

also, i would fold river.