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5/10 hu hands that i put here bc i damn well please
Villian in both of these hands is 2+2er MagicNinja. I'm not playing very well because I'm stuck to some gigantic donk on FTP, and he seems to know this, making a comment or two about hands where I get one outered in the chat. He prob knows who I am but is very unimpressed. He's playing okay, probably not his A game, and is doing weird things which may be normal to him (lots of 2x psbs, into small pots particularly, and primarily OOP). He's probably winning a few more hands than I am but neither of us are ridiculously out of line.
I have thoughts on what I think he can have here, what I think would be sick if he had here, and what he actually does have here. Is river bet sizing okay? It feels really wrong to me and I felt like I should have bet 400 or 500-600 at the time, and not something in between, so I could at least pretend to decipher his CR. If I bet more or less or are you more or less inclined to call the CR? FWIW, he tanked the turn good, but the river was relatively in rhythm. What if I've got KT with one diamond? KT with no diamonds? PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (2 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com BB ($1925.50) Hero ($3295.25) Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $30</font>, BB calls $20. Flop: ($60) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, Hero checks. Turn: ($60) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $120</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $340</font>, BB calls $220. River: ($740) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $450</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $1555.5</font>, OK so now we've been playing for quite some time and he's up a few buyins primarily due to a 325ish bb pot with a coinflip where his AK outran my JJ pre, images are about the same, I don't think he's noticed me really trying to get unstuck yet or anything. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (2 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com Button ($3494) Hero ($1716.25) Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $120</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $350</font>, Hero calls $230. Flop: ($700) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, Button checks. Turn: ($700) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, Button checks. River: ($700) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $500</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1366.25</font> |
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ninja loves c/r bluffing the river. call hand 1 please. besides, he prolly thinks you dont have a flush, would be odd for you to NOT cbet a fd.
i think hand 2 is ugh. |
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gotta call the first hand because he thinks you cant have flush because of your flop bet
id bet the turn in hand 2. i love doing that stuff on the river because it seems so scary but no one ever folds to it, and we probably have similiar retarded images. |
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LOL at playing this guy period I thought he sucked at first but hes pretty f'ing good.
call, ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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LOL at playing this guy period I thought he sucked at first but hes pretty f'ing good. call, ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [/ QUOTE ] he's obviously pretty good but whats wrong with playing him |
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this is pretty low stakes for alexei no? anyways i don't see how you can fold hand one, but i don't like hand two really
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[ QUOTE ] LOL at playing this guy period I thought he sucked at first but hes pretty f'ing good. call, ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [/ QUOTE ] he's obviously pretty good but whats wrong with playing him [/ QUOTE ] Because he never loses haven't you seen his graphs. |
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Hand 1 I'm probably not betting the river if I don't plan on calling his shove. I bet the river.
Hand 2 that raise is real thin both ways. Good luck with that. |
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Hand 1 I like ur play, now call. I don't think he peels the turn with a flushdraw unless he has something else to go with it, so it's sorta unlikely, and he's def capable of bluffing.
Hand 2 I just think people hate folding AQ in this spot to much to bluff. |
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I can't put into words just yet why I hate hand 2, but I really hate it.
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yea i also really dislike hand 2.
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call/ bad
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why is hand 2 bad? weird, i thought it was genius
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why is hand 2 bad? weird, i thought it was genius [/ QUOTE ] dont worry man, they'll catch up to us [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] |
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what is genius about a bluff that never folds out a better hand
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i dont know.........yet! but it must be something
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i dont know.........yet! but it must be something [/ QUOTE ] good for image |
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what is genius about a bluff that never folds out a better hand [/ QUOTE ] ... you bet call AQ there? that's four types of terrible |
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[ QUOTE ] what is genius about a bluff that never folds out a better hand [/ QUOTE ] ... you bet call AQ there? that's four types of terrible [/ QUOTE ] you check three streets with something that beats KQ there(obv if you have AQ and you get to river like this c/r is sweet)? Its just that our opponent pretty much only has two types of hands after the pf/flop/turn action which are 77-TT type mid pps and broadway combos other than AK (KQ AJ AQ KJ). Now after your checks its somewhat clear (atleast to him) that his pair of jacks/queens is good and he should valuebet it so he does that and when you raise it doesn't make a lot of sense and he will then call because unless he suddenly gets some sort of stupid enlightment and thinks "wow he went all-in he must have a good hand I fold". Otherwise he will propably sum it up and snapcall with KJ. But if he is correctly thinking that your hand is what it is (TTish or lower) or AK/occasional air he might throw a bluff with 77-TT thinking you would fold 99 when he bets with 77. Now you would win by just calling. Looks like a silly spot to make a bluff when you are actually getting called with any hand that beats you even TJ and will fold any hand you beat (99 and lower). edit: meh didnt read board/pf correctly before posting. Villain could obv have AK too but hero cant. With the reversed-to-what-I-was-thinking preflop action its easier for hero to rep Qx but I still cant see a) what villain is betting with that we wouldnt win by calling and b) what better hand he is betting and then folding. Obv. you're propably more clever than I am and will find sick metagame uses for this play if you get called. |
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[ QUOTE ] what is genius about a bluff that never folds out a better hand [/ QUOTE ] ... you bet call AQ there? that's four types of terrible [/ QUOTE ] apparently not. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] what is genius about a bluff that never folds out a better hand [/ QUOTE ] ... you bet call AQ there? that's four types of terrible [/ QUOTE ] apparently not. [/ QUOTE ] would be a pretty sick read, he shoul dnever play two tens this way, i bet he's got 'em! |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] what is genius about a bluff that never folds out a better hand [/ QUOTE ] ... you bet call AQ there? that's four types of terrible [/ QUOTE ] apparently not. [/ QUOTE ] would be a pretty sick read, he shoul dnever play two tens this way, i bet he's got 'em! [/ QUOTE ] With AQ he knows he has you beat, thats all. Its top-top after all. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] what is genius about a bluff that never folds out a better hand [/ QUOTE ] ... you bet call AQ there? that's four types of terrible [/ QUOTE ] you check three streets with something that beats KQ there(obv if you have AQ and you get to river like this c/r is sweet)? Its just that our opponent pretty much only has two types of hands after the pf/flop/turn action which are 77-TT type mid pps and broadway combos other than AK (KQ AJ AQ KJ). Now after your checks its somewhat clear (atleast to him) that his pair of jacks/queens is good and he should valuebet it so he does that and when you raise it doesn't make a lot of sense and he will then call because unless he suddenly gets some sort of stupid enlightment and thinks "wow he went all-in he must have a good hand I fold". Otherwise he will propably sum it up and snapcall with KJ. But if he is correctly thinking that your hand is what it is (TTish or lower) or AK/occasional air he might throw a bluff with 77-TT thinking you would fold 99 when he bets with 77. Now you would win by just calling. Looks like a silly spot to make a bluff when you are actually getting called with any hand that beats you even TJ and will fold any hand you beat (99 and lower). edit: meh didnt read board/pf correctly before posting. Villain could obv have AK too but hero cant. With the reversed-to-what-I-was-thinking preflop action its easier for hero to rep Qx but I still cant see a) what villain is betting with that we wouldnt win by calling and b) what better hand he is betting and then folding. Obv. you're propably more clever than I am and will find sick metagame uses for this play if you get called. [/ QUOTE ] i swear on my life i've only read the first two sentences of this post andi already want to kill myself |
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if only you had been wearing a yarmulka
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i dont know.........yet! but it must be something [/ QUOTE ] I can't wait to hear the explanation of genius here. |
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if only you had been wearing a yarmulka [/ QUOTE ] qfmft |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] what is genius about a bluff that never folds out a better hand [/ QUOTE ] ... you bet call AQ there? that's four types of terrible [/ QUOTE ] apparently not. [/ QUOTE ] aejones ur such a fish. i am SNAP calling AQ after i bet here. pretty sure everyone (good) is. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] what is genius about a bluff that never folds out a better hand [/ QUOTE ] ... you bet call AQ there? that's four types of terrible [/ QUOTE ] apparently not. [/ QUOTE ] aejones ur such a fish. i am SNAP calling AQ after i bet here. pretty sure everyone (good) is. [/ QUOTE ] seems gross, jesus |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] what is genius about a bluff that never folds out a better hand [/ QUOTE ] ... you bet call AQ there? that's four types of terrible [/ QUOTE ] apparently not. [/ QUOTE ] aejones ur such a fish. i am SNAP calling AQ after i bet here. pretty sure everyone (good) is. [/ QUOTE ] seems gross, jesus [/ QUOTE ] wtf? serisously? |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] what is genius about a bluff that never folds out a better hand [/ QUOTE ] ... you bet call AQ there? that's four types of terrible [/ QUOTE ] apparently not. [/ QUOTE ] aejones ur such a fish. i am SNAP calling AQ after i bet here. pretty sure everyone (good) is. [/ QUOTE ] seems gross, jesus [/ QUOTE ] wtf? serisously? [/ QUOTE ] seems gross with handreading skills, completely serious |
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i would also b/c AQ
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TT bluff was sick. I had Q7o fwiw. I had 8T in the hand you had 8T.
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I'll post more tomorrow, but the gist of it is that if he's b/f Qx here then he's really not b/c anything and against aejones that's just suicide in a spot where neither of you has much and both of you know this.
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[ QUOTE ] i dont know.........yet! but it must be something [/ QUOTE ] I can't wait to hear the explanation of genius here. [/ QUOTE ] still waiting... |
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lol, well obv its genius because he shoved with a pair of tens and the guy folded a pair of queens
is that good enough?? |
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call/ bad [/ QUOTE ] my mental note on him is that he loves making huge bluffs and huge calls, so I couldn't agree with this more. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i dont know.........yet! but it must be something [/ QUOTE ] I can't wait to hear the explanation of genius here. [/ QUOTE ] still waiting... [/ QUOTE ] I thought there was more reasoning to it than that... It appears he just said to himself on the river, "he has a Q probably, or maybe a jack, but if I c/r all-in I know he'll dump it." I was hoping "genius" could come up with something worth explaining. |
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call/ bad [/ QUOTE ] |
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