Razz - calling 4th?
 

Who folds 4th here? I hate 9s because I never know whether to consider them bricks or not. I feel like it's too early to give up, like if it was J/Q, I'd call, I think. I don't know why it being 9/T threw me, but it did.

Razz ($5/$10), Ante $0.50, Bring-In $2 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (3.10 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]__?

Re: Razz - calling 4th?
 

fold because your draw is bad and missing 87 cards.

J/Q (or 9/9) would be a call IMO though.

Re: Razz - calling 4th?
 

An easy fold surely with 5 of your outs gone.

Re: Razz - calling 4th?
 

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fold because your draw is bad and missing 87 cards.

J/Q (or 9/9) would be a call IMO though.

[/ QUOTE ]Of course, you and tinkerman are right about the bad board. Interesting how this is a better call with QJ. I think I'm beginning to understand why 9/T always seems so hard to play in either direction.

Re: Razz - calling 4th?
 

I think you should fold 3rd

Re: Razz - calling 4th?
 

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I think you should fold 3rd

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I know! It's horrible, isn't it? I think I called because all those little cards folded and I thought, "There must be a lot of little cards out." Dumb. It was one of those "feeling" hands. And I ended up winning it and being real embarrassed because I played it so badly.

Maybe I called because I was surprised at the bet from the 9. I would've checked, I think, to a T. And it's all Rusty's fault, anyway, he convinced me to start playing 8s.

Re: Razz - calling 4th?
 

BTW you play $5/10 now?

Re: Razz - calling 4th?
 

You have to revalue hands based on the board. That many of your outs missing moves a hand down like 2 notches. Favorable board conditions make that a raising hand for me.

I'd probably consider either raising to see if he's serious, or folding. I'd probably fold much of the time.

Re: Razz - calling 4th?
 

just like everyone else said, your outs are too dead to call here, it's possibly even a fold 3rd. Since you called It won't hurt calling considering a lot of low cards are out so one of you are destined to brick. I like calling 4th here just to see 5th if you are feeling lucky. Otherwise it's not a big enough pot to get your money into as a slight dog.

Re: Razz - calling 4th?
 

if you call 3rd you have to call 4th, so make the decision then.