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Ulkis 11-25-2007 10:27 AM

50NL bottom set - how crazy do you go?
 
Would you be willing to go bust?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($53.70)
BB ($9.25)
UTG ($16.60)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($90.65)</font>
MP1 ($51.40)
MP2 ($52.05)
<font color="#C00000">CO ($49.25)</font>
Button ($31.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, CO calls $1.50, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($5.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, CO calls $3.

River: ($11.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $15</font>, Hero ???

I was getting money in at a fairly good rate, perhaps could've bet a bit more on Turn, but high cards popping in &amp; drawy board made me close down a bit, especially River.

Should I bet bigger? what to do with the raise?

AlexB182 11-25-2007 10:53 AM

Re: bottom set - how crazy do you go?
 
Def 3bet here. Pushing would be ok too but I'd be a little afraid that he can get away from his hand then. If he has 66 so be it, QQ,TT and KK should not be in his range here and if he continued on flop and turn with either J9 or AJ then he's total retard...I'd be absolutely willing to play for stacks here.

Brimstead 11-25-2007 11:14 AM

Re: bottom set - how crazy do you go?
 
i'd say he either has QT or 66... u definitely have to call on the river here, im not sure what value 3betting would have, its villain dependent.

I think your bet sizing on each street is fine

RapidEvolution 11-25-2007 11:48 AM

Re: bottom set - how crazy do you go?
 
I think you'll see KQ here more than anything else (if I was in this hand, that's what I'd put villain on and I'd probably 3bet shove. I'd bet 2 on the flop and as played, I'd bet $4.50-$5 on the turn. You really want to get money into the pot ASAP so that you can get maximum value on the river.

FTR, I don't think villain is playing 66 this way as they'd probably raise the turn. Just my opinion though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

1p0kerboy 11-25-2007 11:56 AM

Re: bottom set - how crazy do you go?
 
Grunch

You're bet sizes stink. They are too small on every street.

As played, push river. The most likely hand you're up against is 2 pair. Most of the higher sets would have raised preflop. And it would be weird for an AJ/J9 straight to hang around on the flop and then turn.

SABR42 11-25-2007 12:33 PM

Re: bottom set - how crazy do you go?
 
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And it would be weird for an AJ/J9 straight to hang around on the flop and then turn.

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J9 should definitely call turn, but flop is a different story.

ASPoker8 11-25-2007 12:43 PM

Re: bottom set - how crazy do you go?
 
I'd bet $2 on the flop.

As played, bet $4.50 on the turn.

I'd shove the river, he has KQ a ton.

Smart Money 11-25-2007 12:44 PM

Re: bottom set - how crazy do you go?
 
The only hand [that he could likely have] that beats you is 66, and he would most likely have raised pre-river with this holding.

He has KQ a high enough percentage of the time to make raising the right option I think.

SABR42 11-25-2007 12:46 PM

Re: bottom set - how crazy do you go?
 
I'd probably shove and curse out loud when he shows a slowplayed KK rofl.

Dennisa 11-25-2007 12:59 PM

Re: bottom set - how crazy do you go?
 
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And it would be weird for an AJ/J9 straight to hang around on the flop and then turn.

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J9 should definitely call turn, but flop is a different story.

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AJ of hearts is plausable, especially if villain has a history of floating flops. I just call the raise, but agree with others that bigger bets on the flop and turn should of been done.


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