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bigeasy59 11-15-2007 04:40 AM

play this with me 10 10 facing a mp min raise
 
Ok I think I played this right, but a friend of mine thought I should have taken a another line here. tell me what you do in this spot after a few responses I will let u know what I did and give the results.
Villain is 19/5

Poker Stars, $3 + $0.30 NL Hold'em Tournament, 150/300 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: 2,465
Hero (BB): 3,909
UTG: 1,710
UTG+1: 3,090
MP1: 16,346
MP2: 2,885
CO: 3,290
BTN: 8,798

Pre-Flop: (675) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
4 folds, <font color="red">MP2 raises to 600</font>, 3 folds, <font color="red"> Hero???

Thanks for your responses

LordRaven 11-15-2007 04:56 AM

Re: play this with me 10 10 facing a mp min raise
 
You don't have any reads? A min-raise can mean a lot, but in a low buy-in tournament this could mean a strong hand (AA, KK) trying to trap - proceed with caution.

You cannot make him fold PF (unless he is really weak and that means you have a read), so I wouldn't raise. I would probably call, leading out half pot on a not too scary flop and see what happens.

kenny7 11-15-2007 05:12 AM

Re: play this with me 10 10 facing a mp min raise
 
Huh? Are you really going to put in 30% of your stack and then fold to a raise??? Please don't. Calling should never be an option here,ever.

Personally I push this.With no reads,his raise is just as likely to be a mediocre hand as AA/KK. You have 13xBB,you need to start accumulating,and soon. I shove here,and I think it's easy too.

chrismystero 11-15-2007 05:15 AM

Re: play this with me 10 10 facing a mp min raise
 
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I shove here,and I think it's easy too.

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LordRaven 11-15-2007 05:27 AM

Re: play this with me 10 10 facing a mp min raise
 
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Huh? Are you really going to put in 30% of your stack and then fold to a raise???

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I thought it was calling 300 out of my 3900 stack??? Less than 10 %

kenny7 11-15-2007 05:32 AM

Re: play this with me 10 10 facing a mp min raise
 
300 + your cbet of around 800 = 30%

Anyhoo,it's still a push and really not that close

LordRaven 11-15-2007 06:06 AM

Re: play this with me 10 10 facing a mp min raise
 
You right kenny, it's allmost 30 %

But what are we hoping for with a push? He will not fold PF and an awfull lot of the time we will see JJ+ (probably KK+), some times "only" AQ+ and allmost never 88, 99 or trash. So if his range is JJ+, AJ+ we put in 2885 to win 3335
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.711% 43.51% 00.20% 321875568 1462626.00 { TT }
Hand 1: 56.289% 56.09% 00.20% 414914508 1462626.00 { JJ+, AJs+, AJo+ }

That's about break even, assuming that this is his range. I think a lot of the time we will see KK+ making it an error to push. We could broaden his range giving us 50/50 to win, but personly I htink we will see KK+ too often push

Therefore i advocate to call and proceed with caution, leaving us with approx 2900 to play with if we loose the hand

swede554 11-15-2007 06:11 AM

Re: play this with me 10 10 facing a mp min raise
 
Shove, anything else is bad.

NotSoFarOff 11-15-2007 06:44 AM

Re: play this with me 10 10 facing a mp min raise
 
What does calling accomplish? If you truly think that his range is that tight, then you're only calling for set value. Your stack is too short to be calling for that so you have to fold preflop. Regardless the random donk's range is much wider here, so you have to shove 100% of the time.

OrrLives 11-15-2007 06:58 AM

Re: play this with me 10 10 facing a mp min raise
 
19/5 over how many hands?

If it over a lot of hands, I would probably let this go (but I would have some notes on him by then).

If it over a relatively small number of hands (50 or less), I would probably shove.


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