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MattHH 11-25-2007 02:47 PM

arrrgh, river flush but not sure if villian has better flush
 
UTG+1 is a donkey, everyone else is unknown. This river gets ugly.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, BTN calls, SB calls, Hero checks

Flop: (6 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls, BTN folds, SB calls, Hero calls

Turn: (7 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, SB calls, Hero calls

River: (11 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="red">MP2 raises</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, <font color="red">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, <font color="red">MP2 caps</font>, SB folds, Hero ?

Aaron W. 11-25-2007 03:07 PM

Re: arrrgh, river flush but not sure if villian has better flush
 
Show it down. You were playing for this flush, the pot is now gigantic, and you know it's not going to get any worse since the action has been capped.

MattHH 11-25-2007 03:30 PM

Re: arrrgh, river flush but not sure if villian has better flush
 
Results:

<font color="white">I realize that this doesn't mean it was the wrong decsion, but here are the results:

Hero calls, UTG+1 calls

Results: 25 BB Pot (0.5 BB Rake)
MP2 showed 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON 24.5 BB (+18 BB NET)

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Aaron W. 11-25-2007 03:31 PM

Re: arrrgh, river flush but not sure if villian has better flush
 
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Delete that post while you still can.

tiltaholic 11-25-2007 03:35 PM

Re: arrrgh, river flush but not sure if villian has better flush
 
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UTG+1 is a donkey, everyone else is unknown. This river gets ugly.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, BTN calls, SB calls, Hero checks

Flop: (6 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls, BTN folds, SB calls, Hero calls

Turn: (7 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, SB calls, Hero calls

River: (11 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="red">MP2 raises</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, <font color="red">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, <font color="red">MP2 caps</font>, SB folds, Hero ?

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i'd probably 3-bet the flop, and also would lead the river.

Riku 11-25-2007 04:00 PM

Re: arrrgh, river flush but not sure if villian has better flush
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
UTG+1 is a donkey, everyone else is unknown. This river gets ugly.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, BTN calls, SB calls, Hero checks

Flop: (6 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls, BTN folds, SB calls, Hero calls

Turn: (7 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, SB calls, Hero calls

River: (11 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="red">MP2 raises</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, <font color="red">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, <font color="red">MP2 caps</font>, SB folds, Hero ?

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i'd probably 3-bet the flop, and also would lead the river.

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neurotiq 11-25-2007 04:52 PM

Re: arrrgh, river flush but not sure if villian has better flush
 
3bet the flop.

Turn looks good.

Lead the river.

Just grit your teeth, remind yourself that flush-over-flush is rare, and call the river cap.

LateFlag 11-25-2007 05:39 PM

Re: arrrgh, river flush but not sure if villian has better flush
 
You're supposed to lose a bunch of money when you run into an over-flush. Don't worry about it.

(I agree with the people who are saying to 3-bet the flop, and I would have bet the river, but you're losing a bundle on this no matter what. This kind of event is the poker equivalent of an Act Of God that you can't do anything about).

kerowo 11-25-2007 05:45 PM

Re: arrrgh, river flush but not sure if villian has better flush
 
1 person could be going crazy with a ten high flush but not two. There are almost as many hearts that beat you that don't. Calling 2 twice on the river with 5th nuts is bad. Your not good here 1 time in 11.

LateFlag 11-25-2007 07:14 PM

Re: arrrgh, river flush but not sure if villian has better flush
 
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1 person could be going crazy with a ten high flush but not two. There are almost as many hearts that beat you that don't. Calling 2 twice on the river with 5th nuts is bad. Your not good here 1 time in 11.

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I know this is a rough hand, but that river card completed some straights as well as the flush. It also makes some two-pair hands that admittedly shouldn't be in play but these are the micros. I honestly don't see a fold here, but maybe it's different for me because I'm betting or raising somewhere on the river.


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