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jj12 11-22-2007 06:56 PM

QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
Villain is 30/6/2 donk over 100 hands. Hands are from prev sesh and I don't remember particulars about his play.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $835.33
CO: $981.4
Button: $1349.25
SB: $1040
Hero: $1113.75

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, CO calls, 2 folds, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $40</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $160</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($325, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $300</font>.

What range do you put him on and what's your action? It will 521 more to him if I decide to push.

Laetus 11-22-2007 06:58 PM

Re: QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
This is AA or KK so god damn often. As weak as it sounds I may actually fold pre-flop if I haven't seen him limp raise pre before.

jj12 11-22-2007 06:59 PM

Re: QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
btw converter is screwed up I raised to 50. I have been seeing donks limp reraising AK recently. You think it is small part of his range?

Laetus 11-22-2007 07:01 PM

Re: QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
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btw converter is screwed up I raised to 50. I have been seeing donks limp reraising AK recently. You think it is small part of his range?

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Okay, good. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

tuckercat 11-22-2007 07:03 PM

Re: QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
i really don't think this is KK+ nearly as often... donks do this all the time with nothing. i check shove all day here, i don't think it's very close at all imo.

Wyldpytch 11-22-2007 07:03 PM

Re: QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
how is the table dynamics at the table? how have you been playing? cause if this is one of those "thinking" donks, he might just getting fed up with you always raising him when he limps, and decide to bluff you this time etc

tozzy 11-22-2007 07:04 PM

Re: QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
i dunno, if youve been annoying him lately (raising his limps a lot), id either ch/shove or call any turn now.

jj12 11-22-2007 07:05 PM

Re: QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
I v recently sat, no annoying the donk.

Laetus 11-22-2007 07:06 PM

Re: QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
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i dunno, if youve been annoying him lately (raising his limps a lot), id either ch/shove or call any turn now.

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Ya, this is true. But I assume there wasn't any special history between OP and villain b/c he didn't say anything about it.

RockyElsom 11-22-2007 07:09 PM

Re: QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
I shove and don't really think much about it.

ElectricHaZ3 11-22-2007 07:17 PM

Re: QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
Yea I would say this is a c/r all in. I think people do this with a wide range of hands.

jj12 11-22-2007 07:21 PM

Re: QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
I did some math and really think this is fold pf. There is no reason to believe his range is wide. We have to c/f the flop a ton when A or K shows up and even when there is no A/K shoving is not profitable.

tuckercat 11-22-2007 07:29 PM

Re: QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
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I did some math and really think this is fold pf. There is no reason to believe his range is wide. We have to c/f the flop a ton when A or K shows up and even when there is no A/K shoving is not profitable.

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there's a number of reasons to believe his range is wide, he's in the CO, he's a donk, donk's are stupid and do this kind of stuff with air all the time. this can be very profitable against a donk because they will stack off light very often, it's what they do. am i missing anything here?

ElectricHaZ3 11-22-2007 07:30 PM

Re: QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
Its a tough hand no doubt, but unless there is info that this player is doing this with premiums I don't think its a fold. I won't argue that folding is the more profitable play in the long run, I just don't see my self folding. I don't play that high, 2/4 is the highest I tend to play. At that level I see a lot of this with a lot of different hands.

jj12 11-22-2007 07:32 PM

Re: QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
his pfr is only 6 over a decent sample why do you think he has wide range with no history?

danjohncochane 11-22-2007 07:55 PM

Re: QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
Yeh you gotta muck this preflop with no reads unless you have seen this villian limp/reraise with AK. With low agg you are beat here often.

trambopoline 11-22-2007 08:06 PM

Re: QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
Id just get it in and dont be surpised to see AA or KK. I def think its random junk enough of the time to make this profitable

jj12 11-22-2007 08:07 PM

Re: QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
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Yeh you gotta muck this preflop with no reads unless you have seen this villian limp/reraise with AK. With low agg you are beat here often.

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I did the math with villian limp reraising AK, KK and AA

schwza 11-23-2007 01:21 AM

Re: QQ gets limp reraised. 1000 NL
 
i don't think this is random junk (46o etc) very often at all, but it's pretty good hands like AJs a decent amount. if villain were utg then i'd be much more scared b/c that seems to be QQ+ a lot more, especially AA.

i'd probably push preflop but once you didn't i'd crai the flop. it's only 521 more to him in a pot of 925, so if he folds AK to your crai that's good for you. even if he folds AJ that's no disaster at all since there's no guarantee that he is bluffing off the rest of his chips (who bluff pushes for 50% pot?) and there's a chance he'll hit an A now or on the river.


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