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xSCWx 10-06-2007 03:11 PM

NLTRN - This is a major leak right?
 
I ran into this guy in a $33 SNG on Stars. He was definitely the best player I have run into in $33s, probably better than anyone I've encountered in the $100s as well, but it seemed to me that once the blinds got to 100+ his play became sub-par at best. This is a hand from his perspective, I'm curious as to if anyone can make sense of it. He had a 15% ROI @ 33s.

PokerStars Game #12459270399: Tournament #63233503, $33.00+$1.50 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level V (75/150) - 2007/10/05 - 20:54:42 (ET)
Table '63233503 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: xSCWx (1600 in chips)
Seat 2: Villain (1400 in chips)

xSCWx: posts small blind 75
Villain: posts big blind 150

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Villain [J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
xSCWx: raises 225 to 375
Villain: calls 225

*** FLOP *** [8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
Villain: bets 1025 and is all-in


Huge leak?

jakeduke 10-06-2007 03:16 PM

Re: NLTRN - This is a major leak right?
 
looks like a pretty classic stop and go to me. he knows you're raising with a wide range, so he calls and shoves any flop. you miss 2/3 of the time and aren't going to call this with king or queen high, so i don't think it's a huge leak at all.

disclaimer: i've played like 10 SNGs in my life

phatjeffrey 10-06-2007 03:39 PM

Re: NLTRN - This is a major leak right?
 
a player is dealt a PP 1/8 ( if im not mistaken) , so most of the time you are going to have two unpaired overcards, that will not make a pair or better 2/3's of the time, therefore i wouldnt say his shove is a huge leak... i personally wouldnt do it without any draw or real opportunity to improve my hand..

jay_shark 10-06-2007 03:46 PM

Re: NLTRN - This is a major leak right?
 
I wouldn't exactly call this a stop and go .

In fact , he has enough fold equity to shove all in .

cwar 10-06-2007 03:56 PM

Re: NLTRN - This is a major leak right?
 
[x] Villain played well
[ ] Hero played well

xSCWx 10-06-2007 03:57 PM

Re: NLTRN - This is a major leak right?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[x] Villain played well
[ ] Hero played well

[/ QUOTE ]

I wouldn't know his hand unless I played well. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

cwar 10-06-2007 04:01 PM

Re: NLTRN - This is a major leak right?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[x] Villain played well
[ ] Hero played well

[/ QUOTE ]

I wouldn't know his hand unless I played well. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]
If you had anything but QQ+ this is false.

xSCWx 10-06-2007 04:51 PM

Re: NLTRN - This is a major leak right?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[x] Villain played well
[ ] Hero played well

[/ QUOTE ]

I wouldn't know his hand unless I played well. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]
If you had anything but QQ+ this is false.

[/ QUOTE ]

A real hand would probably check/raise all in here. You definitely don't need QQ+ to make this call. I don't really see how it is feasible to have hit this flop unless:

a) he called rags planning to shove any 2 (in which case chances are he didn't hit)
b) he smooth called a PP (seems unlikely)

cwar 10-06-2007 05:02 PM

Re: NLTRN - This is a major leak right?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[x] Villain played well
[ ] Hero played well

[/ QUOTE ]

I wouldn't know his hand unless I played well. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]
If you had anything but QQ+ this is false.

[/ QUOTE ]

A real hand would probably check/raise all in here. You definitely don't need QQ+ to make this call. I don't really see how it is feasible to have hit this flop unless:

a) he called rags planning to shove any 2 (in which case chances are he didn't hit)
b) he smooth called a PP (seems unlikely)

[/ QUOTE ]
Sorry your preflop play is bad unless you have QQ+

jay_shark 10-06-2007 05:06 PM

Re: NLTRN - This is a major leak right?
 
Calling with j-4 and then shoving on the flop is a worse move than shoving all in preflop with j-4 . It's very easy to show this .


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