Best $10k events of the year?
 

I am planning on playing a few this year, aside from the PCA which I plan on playing either way what are the best 4-5 $10k's aside from that over the year?

~J

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Aussie Millions >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;> PCA.

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WSOP ME

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That Justin guy is such a balla.

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Any serious replies with suggestions would be appreciated. As for structure, location, etc

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The Finnish online championships are good value if you are nitty enough.

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I would have said the USPC due to the a)amazing structure b)great television coverage c)terrible east coast players

Unfortunately its not televised on ESPN this year.

WSOP ME
WPT Niagra (Start w/800bbs, good structure deep)
Aussie Millions
EPT Grand Final (10k euro)

And if you want to ball out, WPT Championship.

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The other 2 Bellagio main events are good choices as well.

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The $15K Bellagio event kicks ass if you can pony up the additional $5K. Awesome structure and min payout of over $20K makes for a juicy bubble.

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You might want to repost this in the Tourney Circuit forum.

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borgata coming up is supposed to be pretty good.

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borgata coming up is supposed to be pretty good.

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@ the most recent Borgata WPT back in Jan. they started players off w/ 30K in chips for a $10K BI w/ blinds of 25/50. So the one upcoming may mimic this.

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borgata coming up is supposed to be pretty good.

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@ the most recent Borgata WPT back in Jan. they started players off w/ 30K in chips for a $10K BI w/ blinds of 25/50. So the one upcoming may mimic this.

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Foxwoods if you ignore you are in the middle of nowhere in and old boring casino

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Two notes:

WPT Niagara isn't starting 800bbs deep this year, and thank god for that.

Borgata structure for Sept. is the same as it was in Jan. The structure is slightly better then that of WPT Niagara when I did a comparasion. 75 min Levels but lots of smaller jumps.

Overall for structure the Borgata is the best I've played outside the ME.

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I am planning on playing a few tournaments at foxwoods.

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I would say the ones directed by Johnny Grooms or Jack McClelland would be good choices. The ones in LA would be a good choice also.

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Good question. I would rank the "best" structures as follows:

Group 1:

WSOP ME (10k), 2 hour levels & many levels make this the best structure in spite of a relatively fast start.

Group 2:

LAPC (Commerce) 10k, 9 handed throughout
Borgata 10k, shuffle machines
Aussie Millions 8.2k
WSOP-e (london) 20k
WPT Championship (Bellagio) 25k

Group 3:

Belagio Five Diamond 15k
Fallsview WPT 9.3k

Honorable Mention:

Foxwoods (10k), EPT Championship (13.6k), Bay 101 (10k)


Note: USPC 2007 structure is significantly worse than 2006 structure (75min levels + fewer levels).

I don't play 10k events with "horrible" structures, basically all the EPT events other than Monoco Championship, the new Caesars Palace 10k, etc.

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Thank you Alan!

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Actually the EPT event that we played recently had amazing structure, and the final table structure is even better because they don't change anything for the television broadcast.

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I would have to agree that the EPT structure for this year is very very good, ok there only 60min levels compaired to 75 or 90 min levels else where. But it uses a schedule very simular to the WSOP 2006. The only level I notice missing between the WSOP 2006 schedule and the EPT sechdule is 250-500-50, however the ept does play 75-150 which I have not seen in any other event meaning that other than the jump from 25-50 to 50-100 the blinds never double in the rest of the event. Also the ante does not begin until 150-300, rather than the usual 100-200, some people prefer this others don't. Overall i think the EPT has one of the best structures around.

Regards
Ian
(First time poster, but long time lurker)

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I thought Foxwoods was a relatively bad structure. It starts off with play, but I think it has less play in the later stages than a lot of other 10k events.

Main Event is still the best structure because of the 2 hour levels.

I think Borgata has a very solid structure and is always extremely well run. They also have shuffling machines. However, if one shuffling machine isn't working, no tables can use the shuffling machines, so early on, it's not too likely that shuffling machines will be used.

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I don't play 10k events with "horrible" structures, basically all the EPT events other than Monoco Championship, the new Caesars Palace 10k, etc.

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The new EPT structure was great.

"Middling levels" (ex: 75/150, 1,200/2,400 among others) with sightly less time (60min) > Longer levels with bigger jumps.

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plus the EPT was 8 handed after the first day which rocks

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Actually the EPT event that we played recently had amazing structure, and the final table structure is even better because they don't change anything for the television broadcast.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it 15k starting chips, start at 300bb, and level 19 was 8k/16k with all levels 90 minutes. What is amazing about that?

Compare to say the LAPC with 20k starting chips, start at 400bb, level 21 was 10k/20k, all levels 90 minutes. Oh, and rake in LAPC $400 or $500 compared to $780usd for EPT Monoco.

On a positive note, the structure for the 2008 EPT Championship is improved (e.g. added levels such as 500/1000, 1200/2400, 2500/5000, etc.) with the same 90 minute levels, so I would now put this event at or near the top of my second group.

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The new EPT structure was great.

"Middling levels" (ex: 75/150, 1,200/2,400 among others) with sightly less time (60min) > Longer levels with bigger jumps.

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I have to completely disagree with you. It is not the actual numerical levels of the blinds that I think suck, it is the length of time each level is played, which is a part of the "structure" ---that sucks. If it were two hour levels rather than 60 minute levels, I would say great structure for an 8k euro event.

The problem is you reach starting chips in the regular EPT events after 20 hours of play, compared to 30 hours or more for the events I listed in my top three catagories. The amount of "deep chip play" (e.g. greater thna 100bb's) is even more lopsided. This means a much higher (quicker) bustout rate in the EPT 8k euro events, which is accomplished by playing at lower chip depths (i.e. lower bb multiples). In summary:

Low AS/bb multiple = rapid bustout rate = sucks


Finally, if you think 20 one-hour levels are better than 18 ninety minute levels (given typical structures), I think you are wrong, and I don't even think it is close!!!

In fact, I would take 10 two hour levels over 19 one hour levels, and the way things were actually implemented by the casino, you would actually play at a higher chip multiple, "on average", with 10 two hour levels vs. 20 one hour levels.

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I thought Foxwoods was a relatively bad structure. It starts off with play, but I think it has less play in the later stages than a lot of other 10k events. It is still nothing to brag about, but it is a lot better than before.


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I didn't play either of the Foxwoods 10k events in 2006 due to bad structure. In 2007 they added an extra day of play and the equivelent of 4 or 5 extra 90 minute levels. Still nothing to brag about, but a big improvement from before.

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I would have to agree that the EPT structure for this year is very very good, ok there only 60min levels compaired to 75 or 90 min levels else where. But it uses a schedule very simular to the WSOP 2006. The only level I notice missing between the WSOP 2006 schedule and the EPT sechdule is 250-500-50, however the ept does play 75-150 which I have not seen in any other event meaning that other than the jump from 25-50 to 50-100 the blinds never double in the rest of the event. Also the ante does not begin until 150-300, rather than the usual 100-200, some people prefer this others don't. Overall i think the EPT has one of the best structures around.

Regards
Ian
(First time poster, but long time lurker)

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The difference between 60 minute levels and 90 minute or 120 minute levels is HUGE.

I think the WSOP structure with 60 minute levels is OK for a $2k event---as you will get the crapshoot all-in fest associated with that level of rake; but this structure sucks for an 8k euro (11k usd event). Maybe if the rake were scaled waaaaay back it would be OK, but this is extremely unlikely to occur.

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i dunno 60 minute levels didnt bother me since the increments were pretty good, 75/150, two 150/300s, 300/600 etc

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Look guys, you have to look at the total time played.

If I gave you a tournament that takes 100 levels for BB = starting stack, but then only gave you 10 minute levels, would you be all over that, also?

The structure is just a function of how fast the blinds move up. Shufflers, and time there is for each level is just as important as the amount of levels there are.

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I thought Foxwoods was a relatively bad structure. It starts off with play, but I think it has less play in the later stages than a lot of other 10k events. It is still nothing to brag about, but it is a lot better than before.


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I didn't play either of the Foxwoods 10k events in 2006 due to bad structure. In 2007 they added an extra day of play and the equivelent of 4 or 5 extra 90 minute levels. Still nothing to brag about, but a big improvement from before.

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This may be due to Daniel Negreanu raising hell about the Foxwoods structure in a highly public manner last year.