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TomVeil 07-22-2007 04:09 AM

Trash call on the flop? Now what on the river....
 
Hey guys, first time posting on here, so I apologize if I screw it up somehow. Just wondering what you're thinking about this hand:

Read: Villian is semi-loose, likes to see lots of flops and will call raises to do it. Doesn't put a LOT of money in the pot unless he thinks he's ahead.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $9.90
Hero (BB): $14.05
UTG: $12.40
MP: $13.20
CO: $13.35
BTN: $10.65

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $0.10, CO folds, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.40) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $0.50</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $1.90</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.40

Turn: ($4.20) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $2.25</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $10.95</font>, <font color="red">Hero ???</font>

Two questions:

1) Do you call the raise on the flop? Here I did because I thought his range of hands would be any pair, a set, or a flush draw. It wasn't easy and I'm still not sure it's the correct call now.

2) Now that he's basically shoved on the turn, his range of hands is now down to overpairs and sets. Do you make this call?

cooker3 07-22-2007 04:30 AM

Re: Trash call on the flop? Now what on the river....
 
Question 1
83,160 games 0.130 secs 639,692 games/sec

Board: Ts 4s 6d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.882% 54.69% 00.19% 45481 159.00 { Tc9s }
Hand 1: 45.118% 44.93% 00.19% 37361 159.00 { 22+, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, KsQs, KsJs, KsTs, Ks9s, QsJs, QTs, J9s+, Ts9s, Ts8s, 9s8s, 9s7s, 8s7s, 7s6s, 54s }

So it seems it is going by that range

Question 2
1,364 games 0.001 secs 1,364,000 games/sec

Board: Ts 4s 6d 9h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.249% 65.25% 00.00% 890 0.00 { Tc9s }
Hand 1: 34.751% 34.75% 00.00% 474 0.00 { JJ+, 99, 66, 44 }

That is a resounding yes

Nick C 07-22-2007 05:06 AM

Re: Trash call on the flop? Now what on the river....
 
I probably wouldn't call the flop raise from this guy. It seems like too unfavorable of a reverse-implied odds situation. However, if you'd seen this Villain playing fast on the flop and then slowing down in previous hands, then that improves the case for a call greatly.

On the turn, I guess you're trapped. I would have checkraised instead of leading, but I think you're showing down regardless.

Given the range you give, there is this: If Villain would sometimes raise JJ-AA preflop (and, you know, lots of players do [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]), then the case for a call is damaged considerably. But if, say, AT and 64 and Td4d are in his range -- and you'd think that the two-pair hands would be, if not the AT -- then that helps.


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