KK facing pot sized river bet (PS $162)
 

Sorry no reads. I had been tight (obv)

PokerStars Game #13267274625: Tournament #66640482, $150+$12 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/11/15 - 22:49:26 (ET)
Table '66640482 97' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: WiLDmAn75 (26115 in chips)
Seat 2: nargnice (11190 in chips)
Seat 3: dicknastyjr (4480 in chips)
Seat 4: HpNOtiC (5462 in chips)
Seat 5: elio82 (20987 in chips)
Seat 7: diegel (9180 in chips)
Seat 8: ulty_dude (9535 in chips)
Seat 9: JSchnett (9011 in chips)
WiLDmAn75: posts the ante 10
nargnice: posts the ante 10
dicknastyjr: posts the ante 10
HpNOtiC: posts the ante 10
elio82: posts the ante 10
diegel: posts the ante 10
ulty_dude: posts the ante 10
JSchnett: posts the ante 10
diegel: posts small blind 100
ulty_dude: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JSchnett [Kh Kc]
JSchnett: raises 400 to 600
WiLDmAn75: folds
nargnice: folds
dicknastyjr: folds
HpNOtiC: folds
elio82: folds
diegel: calls 500
ulty_dude: folds
*** FLOP *** [Tc 8d 2h]
diegel: checks
JSchnett: bets 1000
diegel: calls 1000
*** TURN *** [Tc 8d 2h] [Ah]
diegel: checks
JSchnett: checks
*** RIVER *** [Tc 8d 2h Ah] [3s]
diegel: bets 3480 (exactly pot)
JSchnett:


Generally I think that these bets are for value but I had trouble putting him on a hand that he would play this way. I don't think hes calling in the sb with A2/A8, AT could be a possiblilty but seems strange for him to c/c the flop with TPTK.

Could be 22/88 even TT but I highly doubt it is AJ/AQ considering it would be a terrible valuebet and they would have had to call on the flop.

thoughts?

Re: KK facing pot sized river bet (PS $162)
 

I fold pretty quick. Though there aren't many hands that you are losing to, there are even fewer hands that can be bluffing here.

Re: KK facing pot sized river bet (PS $162)
 

I guess u have to fold w/o a read. However, given that you checked turn to keep pot small, you essentially induce a bluff a significant percentage of time here on river. Would you call if he bet half the bot?

Re: KK facing pot sized river bet (PS $162)
 

I'd fold with no read and I really hate folding especially when I play a strong hand in a way which will underrep my hand and induce bluffs.

Re: KK facing pot sized river bet (PS $162)
 

Does anyone bluff the turn here (in order to avoid being bluffed on the river)?

Re: KK facing pot sized river bet (PS $162)
 

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Does anyone bluff the turn here (in order to avoid being bluffed on the river)?

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no.....no..........no................no

Re: KK facing pot sized river bet (PS $162)
 

I would never bet the turn.

Re: KK facing pot sized river bet (PS $162)
 

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Does anyone bluff the turn here (in order to avoid being bluffed on the river)?

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no.....no..........no................no

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why is that so bad (serious Q), if you bet like 1400-1800 here (basically an amount you'd call on the river), why not bet here so that if he calls and leads river you're 100% not good. most often after you've fired twice villain is much more likely to check river which will allow you to get to showdown cheaper.

Re: KK facing pot sized river bet (PS $162)
 

fold, you're beat, and I never fold ever ever ever

Re: KK facing pot sized river bet (PS $162)
 

he can bluff the river if you check the turn. You can get c/red on the turn by a bluff/ semibluff.