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Womble 08-08-2007 01:50 PM

100nl 2 QQ hands
 
1.
Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $111.00
BB: $20.00
UTG: $141.25
MP: $127.93
CO: $96.05
BTN: $97.23

Reads: <font color="blue">Guy here is 26/21/3.5 over 100 hands. What should I do on this flop? I cant really see him having anything I beat other then AK if hes feeling frisky. I havent ben overly active but a fold seems a bit weak</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $4.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14.00</font>, BB folds, CO calls $10.00

Flop: ($29) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $20.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises $60</font>



2.
Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $107.62
BB: $104.66
Hero (UTG): $142.41
MP: $121.68
CO: $94.44
BTN: $30.38

Reads: <font color="blue">No reads on this one, really nasty flop. Thinking this could be a monster draw/set/2pair/maybe top pair etc. Given this this has to be a clear fold since I am more likely behind or only slightly ahead and having to dodge a lot of careds?</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, MP folds, CO calls $4.00, 3 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $7.50</font>, <font color="red">CO raises $29.00</font>

Pot Size: $17.00

Bulletproof Monk 08-08-2007 02:00 PM

Re: 100nl 2 QQ hands
 
shove both imo

damatz 08-08-2007 02:31 PM

Re: 100nl 2 QQ hands
 
Uh... shoving the first would be total spew IMO. We 3-bet pf, and then led the flop hard. I doubt villain is on a bluff, he is basically shoving with his turn raise when we have showed nothing but strength. Ocasionally we see AK hearts, but mostly were seeing A's K's or J's. We are crushed by his range.
Second hand is close, but I think a fold because you're either crushed by two-pair/set or only about 2-1 fav over sd/fd.

Nielsio 08-08-2007 02:35 PM

Re: 100nl 2 QQ hands
 
1. shove because he's a lagtag

2. fold because you're not a donkey

Bulletproof Monk 08-08-2007 04:11 PM

Re: 100nl 2 QQ hands
 
would love more opinions here, i found both hands pretty clear cut.

in the first hand i really feel JA/Ks, PPs 77-TT are clearly in his range as well as flush draws and it was a reasonably easy push against such an aggressive player.

second hand i just see him raising waaay too many draws as well as JJ/TT and given stack sizes im playing for it.

can we get some more opinions plez?

Kilillan 08-08-2007 04:14 PM

Re: 100nl 2 QQ hands
 
eh, type "wtf overpair"

then shove both

Arito 08-08-2007 04:28 PM

Re: 100nl 2 QQ hands
 
Do you like variance?


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