Woah! Where did that come from?
 

Reads: Juicy fishmax table. fishy everywhere and lots of community pots. The turn donker runs at about 45/5/1 and I have the following note on him "33ColdCalledPreflop and called down total underpair..didnt bet it when checked to on river HU", the other PFRer is pretty laggy and lurves to raise light preflop (25/20)...postflop I havent seen anything noteworthy so far from a SD hand and the dude in the middle has only been here a couple o orbits and loves to limp in preflop and call call call. I dont have more than 60 hands on anyone.

U likey the Flop play? And anyway, so whats your move and whats the plan for the rest of the hand when the bet comes out of nowhere on the turn? State your plan. Noobs and lurkers encouraged to reply....

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Ozi (BB)
UTG calls, <font color="red">CO raises</font>, BTN folds, SB calls, <font color="red">Ozi 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, CO calls, SB calls

Flop: (12 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Ozi bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="red">CO raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="red">Ozi 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="red">CO caps</font>, SB calls, Ozi calls, UTG calls

Turn: (14 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets</font>, Ozi ????

Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
 

Some idiot probably hit a set. Your play on the flop was ok, but with that many players in the flop I probably would have just called down.

I'd probably just call down the rest of the way, unless it gets capped on both streets. I'd like to think I'd fold.. PT says I've been dealt KK three times, having folded once (on the flop), having lost money overall on the hand.

Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
 

I think this is a curse and fold situation. The way you're describing SB, he's only betting with at least 2 pair, more likely a set or A5 here.

Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
 

Yuck!

A5 and 54 are 32 combos. 22 is 3 more. Thats a lot of hands that beats you [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I dont fold vs idiots in big pots on principle so I just call and pray CO calms down. If CO and SB starts raising each other I would fold. Same if UTG wakes up.

Prolly a fold the first time around tho

Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
 

You can fold this pretty easily with 2 players still to act behind and SB donking the turn after a capped flop. God knows how many bets you'd have to pay to showdown.

Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
 

I dont think this is such an easy fold.

Hero has CO beat rather often as A9, T9 and TT is in his range

Also, donks will often bet something like A9, A5, A4, 54 and A3 on this turn.

This is a massive pot and as said, I hate folding for 1 bet vs idiots.


Also in my first post I meant "65a and A5 are.." not "54 and A5"

Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
 

Yeah, Pat, I'd like to buy a vowel.....


This is a pretty easy fold, imo. Flop play is goot, but your note makes me think that you're most likely drawing dead, at best drawing to two outs (all your hidden outs being dirty).

Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
 

eck lousy meat in the middle of a sandwich. Do I raise to push out CO or call and know I may have to call twice more in the hand before the turn.

So I am pretty sure this may be a cap turn and an expensive call with second top pair.

I call one and fold if it comes back to me for two more.

Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
 

Sir... It depends....I do like your flop play; but only if you did it to force villains to define their hands and now are comfortable folding behind with 2 outs. If you were determined to see showdown I wouldn't have 3 bet the flop.

NH if you folded here but not if you call down now. Especially now that SB is in play.

Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
 

Fold, then kill yourself when they show QQ and 9xdd.

Actually, I call down, but fold if I have to call two at any point.