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The B 11-23-2007 12:14 AM

AhTh w/ top pair???
 
Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

CO: $10.40
BTN: $10
SB: $6.15
BB: $7.40
UTG: $11.20
Hero (MP): $7.30

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.25</font>, CO calls $0.25, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.65) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $0.65</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, CO calls $1.35

Turn: ($4.65) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero ???

Hebel 11-23-2007 12:16 AM

Re: AhTh w/ top pair???
 
hate the 2.5bb raise, make a real standard one

hate the flop check raise, just bet out, people will call u light thinking its a cbet

the turn was bad as you are now losing to q10 as well as jq, both o which should be a large part of villains range, so ill c/c and c/f if he fires again on the river

The B 11-23-2007 12:20 AM

Re: AhTh w/ top pair???
 
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so ill c/c and c/f if he fires again on the river

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there's 4.50 in the pot after the turn, how am I going to c/c with only $5 left?? if villan bets pot, I'm commitiing my whole stack

bsball8806 11-23-2007 12:22 AM

Re: AhTh w/ top pair???
 
Make it .40 preflop. Don't really like the flop c/r, kinda turns our hand into a bluff. Btw JQ and Q8, which probably called because of your small preflop raise, have no incentive to bet and will instead just check behind.

On the turn, we beat K10 and J10, but that's about it (both of them have plenty of outs, too). Q10, QJ, J8 have all taken the lead. Stack sizes are also weird, we've only got 5.05 left, and the pot is about 4.65. Any more money we put in the pot commits our entire stack. Therefore, b/f is out of the question. If we're planning on calling a bet, we should just shove ourselves. However, I think I prefer a c/f here. We're ahead of hardly any of his range.

BTW reload to full stack

bsball8806 11-23-2007 12:22 AM

Re: AhTh w/ top pair???
 
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so ill c/c and c/f if he fires again on the river


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flawed logic for my reasons above

Fish Fodder 11-23-2007 12:31 AM

Re: AhTh w/ top pair???
 
Agree with Hebel on everything. You've invested 1/3 of your stack on this and are at the commitment point. Are you willing to put the rest of your stack at risk? If not, c/c and c/f if he fires again.

Profish2285 11-23-2007 12:39 AM

Re: AhTh w/ top pair???
 
Reload to full stack. At least hit the pot button pre flop, no need for that 2.5x raise, this isnt a tournament. I hate the c/r, just c-bet like you normally would if you didnt hit. Then you can b/f turn assuming you did that on flop. As played I think its a fold after running it through stove.

I guess this is a decent range for an unknown.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,892 games 0.037 secs 51,135 games/sec

Board: 5d Tc 9h Qd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.510% 33.51% 00.00% 634 0.00 { AhTh }
Hand 1: 66.490% 66.49% 00.00% 1258 0.00 { TdTs, 9c9d, 9c9s, 9d9s, 5c5h, 5c5s, 5h5s, KdTd, KsTs, QcJc, QhJh, QsJs, QdTd, QsTs, JdTd, JsTs, Td9d, Ts9s, KcTd, KcTs, KdTs, KhTd, KhTs, KsTd, QcJd, QcJh, QcJs, QhJc, QhJd, QhJs, QsJc, QsJd, QsJh, QcTd, QcTs, QdTs, QhTd, QhTs, QsTd, JcTd, JcTs, JdTs, JhTd, JhTs, JsTd }


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bsball8806 11-23-2007 12:44 AM

Re: AhTh w/ top pair???
 
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Agree with Hebel on everything. You've invested 1/3 of your stack on this and are at the commitment point. Are you willing to put the rest of your stack at risk? If not, c/c and c/f if he fires again.

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This makes no sense. We have 5 dollars left in our stack. The pot is at 4.65. Lets say he bets 3 (a smallish bet), after we check. If we call, that puts the pot at 10.65, and leaves us with 2. Don't tell me you're going to fold that if a blank comes on the river. If you plan on c/c, why not just bet? Something tells me he's not bluffing in this spot.

Hebel 11-23-2007 12:47 AM

Re: AhTh w/ top pair???
 
didnt expect a 2p2er to not have a full stack. but hes called a c/r, and most of the draws are now beating you. i think a c/f is in order

Profish2285 11-23-2007 12:47 AM

Re: AhTh w/ top pair???
 
Oh yea, what is this nonsense about c/c and c/f if he fires again. Do you take stacks into account at all? If you c/c turn and c/f river you have a serious leak to look into. All the reasons bsball said is why I say this btw.


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