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Unknown Soldier 11-22-2007 09:36 AM

lol 4-flushaments
 
villain is 64/43/1.7 over 100. Specific reads: likes to open push pf at random times, seen him do it with 96s (40bbs) and 22 (75bbs). Post flop he isn't that much of a maniac really, I haven't seen many showdowns to say much more . He calls too much with weak draws i think, floats with A high etc, but doesn't make too many moves i don't think (but small sample). He can fold sometimes. Seen him donk a couple of times too, but never saw sd. I should add that i kinda expected him to check the nuts to me here from his tendancies, obv not 100% certain about that though.


He pretty much insta-shoved river, do you call?




Stack sizes:
UTG: $434.00
US: $721.00
Button: $330.30
SB: $589.35
BB: $44.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) US is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">US raises to $18</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($42, 2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">US bets $32</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($106, 2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">US bets $92</font>, UTG calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($290, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG is all-in $292</font>, US??

PBFan 11-22-2007 09:39 AM

Re: lol 4-flushaments
 
i don't get why you're posting this lol.
unless you where a hero and he donked of 2 pair.
only hand i can see him having here is the the A Hearts.also his Limp PRE, makes me think he limped in small connectors.

Unknown Soldier 11-22-2007 09:40 AM

Re: lol 4-flushaments
 
can he not bluff this a decent amount?

change the T to a heart, still a fold?

PBFan 11-22-2007 09:50 AM

Re: lol 4-flushaments
 
erm, if i have the 10 of H there i prob call.
only thing you can really put him on having would be like a5
AH how he played that.
unless you have a heart you are obv checking behind..
but i don't see the insta shove.. that would blag me head.
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I-Love-Poker 11-22-2007 09:54 AM

Re: lol 4-flushaments
 
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erm, if i have the 10 of H there i prob call.
only thing you can really put him on having would be like a5
AH how he played that.
unless you have a heart you are obv checking behind..
but i don't see the insta shove.. that would blag me head.
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That makes no sense bud. Why would you call with 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] but not the straight. He wouldnt be shoving with a lower then 10 flush thats for sure. Its either nuts, or 2 pair.

PBFan 11-22-2007 09:57 AM

Re: lol 4-flushaments
 
that's where you're wrong, possible that he limped in with SCS 67HH for e.g he flated the flop hoping for his H got the H on the turn OMFGZ i have a flush!! ill just raise him on the river, river is another H he [censored] a brick and shoves.
i made that a bit drastic .. but you know what i mean.
obv more equity with the 10h .

JFsports 11-22-2007 10:06 AM

Re: lol 4-flushaments
 
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That makes no sense bud. Why would you call with 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] but not the straight. He wouldnt be shoving with a lower then 10 flush thats for sure. Its either nuts, or 2 pair.

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this is wrong, how can you think he would shove two pair but not a heart lower than a T?

Also I think trying to assign logical actions to players with these stats is pointless.

I would fold the river anyway

acdcaces 11-22-2007 10:37 AM

Re: lol 4-flushaments
 
This is a typical "nuts or nothing" type of bet. He'd shove two pair thinking he's bluffing obviously. If you have either the 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], a straight, or top two pair, your call % should essentially be the same here. This is a concept that many beginners don't understand, but it should be common sense to any experienced player. He might be pounding the 2nd nut (and more rarely 3rd) flush, but usually ppl bet like 1/2 pot or just check with these hands when 1st to act. As for what u should do... fold, i think but its sooo tough. With what i just said, you HAVE to put him on the nuts to fold, otherwise u should call. And honestly, who would instajam like that with the nuts. I'm changing my mind now... Call him!
BTW this is my second post on 2+2 hope u guys enjoyed it. I subscribed to cardrunners and saw that in many videos the guys would say "this guy's a two plus two'er so im gonna try and stay away from him" lol

Unknown Soldier 11-22-2007 11:19 AM

Re: lol 4-flushaments
 
welcome to the forum acdaces, thanks for your input [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Jamsym 11-22-2007 11:52 AM

Re: lol 4-flushaments
 
ez fold


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