Ballistic action on the turn with 2nd best trips
 

Villians unknown to me...

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.66 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Hero ?

Re: Ballistic action on the turn with 2nd best trips
 

call?

even if u are behind ... u have the odds(even if its close against a set) and u are on the button for the river

Re: Ballistic action on the turn with 2nd best trips
 

One of them has a boat.

If it gets capped you get about 16.67:3 ~ 5.5:1
If it doesnt you get 14.67:2 ~ 7.4:1

- If you are up against 44 and Qx you have 3 outs to a chop (5's) and 3 outs to a win. With 42 cards left thats 37.5:4.5 ~ 8.3:1

- If you are up against 55 and 44 you have 5 outs. 7.4:1

- If you are up against Q5 and 44 you have 2 outs to a chop and 3 outs to a win. 9.5:1

I think you are behind to a boat almost always here and often sharing outs with the other guy. Maybe I am too pessimistic but I just muck it.

Re: Ballistic action on the turn with 2nd best trips
 

against unknowns no way I can fold this. people are just toooo full of [censored] to fold here.

oink is right that we are might be drawing slim but:
- villains might have some kind of flush draw (w or w/o Q)
- a villain might have KK or AA or even go crazy with a pair &lt; QQ
- villains might also both have Qx (x &lt; K)

Re: Ballistic action on the turn with 2nd best trips
 

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- villains might also both have Qx (x &lt; K)

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They cant both have a Q. 3 is dead already. Dunno which deck of cards you guys play with in germany [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Ballistic action on the turn with 2nd best trips
 

Woot! I folded, turn got capped - one villian showed QJ and the other showed 44. I just wanted the Oink confirmation that a fold doesn't suck here.

Re: Ballistic action on the turn with 2nd best trips
 

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Dunno which deck of cards you guys play with at Absolute

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I guess I screwed that one up.

But I am still with calling 2 cold on the turn.

however if the river is blank and it goes bet raise I might fold

Re: Ballistic action on the turn with 2nd best trips
 

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Woot! I folded, turn got capped - one villian showed QJ and the other showed 44. I just wanted the Oink confirmation that a fold doesn't suck here.

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Who shows QJ? BB?

Re: Ballistic action on the turn with 2nd best trips
 

baaaah, I can't fold here vs. unknowns. I don't know the games on Pokerstars but normally the idiotfactor is too big for me to fold here...

Re: Ballistic action on the turn with 2nd best trips
 

Thats a brutal turn play...against the double c/r you know you are against a set so its a good fold you made...I think I would call, but im a donk