Spewing in the $100r?
 

I felt like having a shot at the $100r and this was a pivotal hand for me, utg+1 is a known aggressive player who is effectively shoving. MP1 is unknown to me, but I figured he could be isolating with quite a few hands. OBV utg+1 is calling for his last 800 and that makes it almost exactly 2-1 for me to call, thoughts?

Poker Stars, $100 + $9 NL Hold'em Tournament, 200/400 Blinds, 8 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: 47,900
SB: 57,388
Hero (BB): 14,045
UTG: 9,332
UTG+1: 3,262
MP1: 6,050
MP2: 7,184
CO: 13,460

Pre-Flop: (800) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to 2,400</font>, <font color="red">MP1 raises to 6,025 and is All-In</font>, 4 folds, Hero calls 5,625, UTG+1 calls 837 and is All-In

Flop: (15,687) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (15,687) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (15,687) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 15,687 Pot
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Re: Spewing in the $100r?
 

its been like a year and a half since i've played the 100r

when i played, i'd have folded. but i'm sure the game is a ton more aggressive now. i probably still fold tho

Re: Spewing in the $100r?
 

After the hand I was thinking AQ+ and 99+ is probably a call, what would you call with?

Re: Spewing in the $100r?
 

I'd call w/AK, JJ+.

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After the hand I was thinking AQ+ and 99+ is probably a call, what would you call with?

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this seems pretty good... so why did you call with AJ?

Re: Spewing in the $100r?
 

I think AJ is fine here.

UTG+1 has an insanely wide range
MP1, if a good player, will isolate with a range that AJ does fine against

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After the hand I was thinking AQ+ and 99+ is probably a call, what would you call with?

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this seems pretty good... so why did you call with AJ?

[/ QUOTE ]I thought it was +ev, but I wasn't sure so I posted in a poker strategy forum to see what others thought.
Losing the hand is pretty likely to have influenced how I felt about it...

Re: Spewing in the $100r?
 

I think people habitually play too loose in these spots.

I'd fold without thinking twice about it.

I think like AQ, 99+ or something. Maybe TT+.

I'm sure you realize but your range should be tighter and tighter the further you are from closing the action.

Re: Spewing in the $100r?
 

Should we be suspicious that UTG+1 is raising instead of shoving? At the lower stakes I find this usually means AA/KK/AK

Re: Spewing in the $100r?
 

seems like this is a simple fold pf. calling off a third of your stack after that action with AJ is too spewy, so often you're dominated here

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Should we be suspicious that UTG+1 is raising instead of shoving? At the lower stakes I find this usually means AA/KK/AK

[/ QUOTE ]I was familiar with his ss play and correctly put suited connectors in his range he had QTcc

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I'm sure you realize but your range should be tighter and tighter the further you are from closing the action.

[/ QUOTE ]I assume you are referring to the second push? I was last to act...
Edit: initial raiser's call was trivial.

Re: Spewing in the $100r?
 

fold 100% of the time

goggles is absolutely right.

and the fact you were the final action makes a stronger case for folding a weak hand like AJ w/ that action...

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and the fact you were the final action makes a stronger case for folding a weak hand like AJ w/ that action...

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huh

Re: Spewing in the $100r?
 

this hand is very player dependent and without a read on middle position it is hard to make the correct choice here. Since he is unknown to you, then I probably fold preflop if you have seen him fold for a few rounds in a row. IT is still a close call though and I am probably overshoving.

Re: Spewing in the $100r?
 

calling over a 1/3 of your stack in a 3-way pot with a hand like AJ is not the thing to do.

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calling over a 1/3 of your stack in a 3-way pot with a hand like AJ is not the thing to do.

[/ QUOTE ]ok, now explain why, pls...

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and the fact you were the final action makes a stronger case for folding a weak hand like AJ w/ that action...

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huh?

Re: Spewing in the $100r?
 

its obv u crush utg's range but whats mp1's range or rather what should mp1's range be? a 10+ kq,55+? like 43% vs that range.

Re: Spewing in the $100r?
 

there was a early allin (regardless if he is loose or not) and the MP1 player reshoved, so you gotta assume you are probably crushed at the very least by the MP1 (JJ+ AK) - with him shoving to isolate you gotta give him credit for a solid range.

Now if it walked around to you then you have points for calling the UTG allin, given that he is shoving consistently w/ a wide range.

and what I meant by last action is you have seen all of the above happen in front of you, and in that situation AJ should be an easy fold. It isn't that strong of a hand.

and putting in a 1/3 of your stack and being easily dominated is bad no matter how you look at it. Wait for a better spot, you had a decent stack.

I mean you may of won in this situation, but still...

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its obv u crush utg's range but whats mp1's range or rather what should mp1's range be? a 10+ kq,55+? like 43% vs that range.

[/ QUOTE ]I think that's a reasonable range for him and I was getting 2-1, how much equity do I lose if I am 60-65% vs the shorter stack's range? I don't know the math on that...

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and putting in a 1/3 of your stack and being easily dominated is bad no matter how you look at it. Wait for a better spot, you had a decent stack.

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I'm just looking for +ev. I am willing to play the stack preservation game a bit in other spots where I have a bigger advantage over the field, sometimes.