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Ben86 08-25-2007 09:42 PM

1K Winstar Blind Vs Blind
 
Villian is an older man who has been playing tight and built a large stack from putting a couple coolers on two people.
I have pushed all in to steal the blinds and antes 4 times in the last 2 orbits, i think my image is pretty terrible right now.
Villain: 12K
Hero 4K
blinds 150/300 ante 25. 9 handed

folds around to villian in SB, villian completes. The last time he did this I raised he folded, so since my image was shot I thought I would just check.

Hero checks BB A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Flop: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

sb checks, hero checks.

Turn 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

sb checks, hero bets 350, villain calls.

River 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Villian leads 2k. I'd seem him do this once before but the opponent folded. Hero?

jeffman 08-26-2007 03:08 AM

Re: 1K Winstar Blind Vs Blind
 
welll....... 88, 66, 22, AA, 77, A8, 59, 54, T9 all beat you and you have 10bbs. You also know he is good at getting people with coolers. So of course you should fold.

TimberBee 08-26-2007 07:39 AM

Re: 1K Winstar Blind Vs Blind
 
Is he c/c turn with a gutshot? I don't think so. Is he c/c turn with a set? I don't think so. Is he c/c turn with Top2 pair? I don't think so. Does he have you beat? I don't think so. I think this is a question wether to raise or just call.

Ben86 08-26-2007 11:50 AM

Re: 1K Winstar Blind Vs Blind
 
just calling leaves me with about 1300 if I lose. Is that even an option or is it push/fold?

Ben86 08-26-2007 02:22 PM

Re: 1K Winstar Blind Vs Blind
 
is this hand uninteresting? Is there an obvious answer?

0evg0 08-26-2007 02:27 PM

Re: 1K Winstar Blind Vs Blind
 
you have an Ace with 10xbb

push preflop

then you have aces over on a non-flush board

push river

betgo 08-26-2007 02:35 PM

Re: 1K Winstar Blind Vs Blind
 
Push preflop. So your image is shot. Do you mind if he akes a loose limp/call BvB when you have an ace.

Bet at least half pot on the turn.

Push the river. Aces up is pretty strong here. If the old nit has you beat, so be it.

ZBTHorton 08-27-2007 04:08 AM

Re: 1K Winstar Blind Vs Blind
 
Eassyyy push PF.

ZeeJustin 08-27-2007 06:05 AM

Re: 1K Winstar Blind Vs Blind
 
[ QUOTE ]
just calling leaves me with about 1300 if I lose. Is that even an option or is it push/fold?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, it's definitely an option, but in this specific hand, there is no reason to believe you don't have the best hand, and it's very likely he will call with a worse hand, so it's an EASY push.

I agree with those that say push preflop, except... I think raising preflop can be better than pushing against some opponents. Is he a stubborn guy that my think you are bluffing when you 3x it and shove with JTo? If so, raise 3x and snap call a shove. This option is only bad if you will have trouble playing against him postflop if he just calls and you miss (which can very likely be the case if you don't have a good read on how he plays).

sheetsworld 08-27-2007 11:43 AM

Re: 1K Winstar Blind Vs Blind
 
Preflop pushing is going to be profitbale, as well raising less intending to call a limp shove agisnt an aggressive player.....Which is more so depends on the usual intangibles..I think you shouldnt worry about your image in this spot, because it cuts both ways...if you do shove and the sb is really sick of you he may call you with a wholw host of hands that you beat etc..

As for the river, wow they usually have it when they make these big overbets...I just dont know. Maybe you are ahead anyway (2 pair=having it?). It seems pretty tough for him to really be making this bet with hands we beat, but then again you are short...I really dont know.

as a result........

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sheets


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