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flytrap 10-25-2007 03:15 PM

Second hand of a $150+12 on FT. AQs against a CO min-raise and call.
 
This was the second hand of the tourney, and I had no info yet on any of the players. Is my squeeze PF squeeze standard with the caller in there? Looking back, I should have made it at least 200. Once that particular flop came, I figured I'd only get action if I were beat if I led out, so I thought giving him the chance to bluff, thinking I was scarred of the ace, was better. Also, I don't go broke to AK if that is his hand. Thoughts?

Full Tilt Poker, NL Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds, 9 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: 2,990
SB: 2,980
Hero (BB): 3,000
UTG: 3,000
UTG+1: 3,225
UTG+2: 3,000
MP1: 3,000
MP2: 3,000
CO: 2,805

Pre-Flop: (30) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
5 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to 40</font>, BTN calls 40, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to 160</font>, CO calls 120, BTN folds

Flop: (370) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets 120</font>, Hero calls 120

Turn: (610) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets 320</font>, Hero calls 320

River: (1,250) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets 780</font>, Hero calls 780

jcm4ccc 10-25-2007 03:25 PM

Re: Second hand of a $150+12 on FT. AQs against a CO min-raise and cal
 
PF, that's a value raise, not a squeeze. Are you really trying to fold out everybody and win 110 chips?

Your reasoning on the flop is interesting. If I'm ahead, then checking will gain me more chips. But if I'm behind, then checking will save me more chips. Can't have it both ways.

flytrap 10-25-2007 03:30 PM

Re: Second hand of a $150+12 on FT. AQs against a CO min-raise and cal
 
[ QUOTE ]
PF, that's a value raise, not a squeeze. Are you really trying to fold out everybody and win 110 chips?

Your reasoning on the flop is interesting. If I'm ahead, then checking will gain me more chips. But if I'm behind, then checking will save me more chips. Can't have it both ways.

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Can you explain this please? This seems to be a way ahead/way behind situation. He has AK or a full-house type hand, or I have him drawing to at most 3 outs. It seems playing passive extracts the most in these types of spots, while also saving money when beat. If I bet the turn and get raised, I have a tough decision, whereas by C/Cing, I get to see the showdown, and I also give him the chance to bluff. It's this chance to bluff that I feel this line may make more when I'm ahead.

getballed 10-25-2007 03:32 PM

Re: Second hand of a $150+12 on FT. AQs against a CO min-raise and cal
 
Bet flop, if your raised here you can certainly throw the hand away. If he flats you re-eval on the turn. Most likely throwing the hand away

jcm4ccc 10-25-2007 04:03 PM

Re: Second hand of a $150+12 on FT. AQs against a CO min-raise and cal
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
PF, that's a value raise, not a squeeze. Are you really trying to fold out everybody and win 110 chips?

Your reasoning on the flop is interesting. If I'm ahead, then checking will gain me more chips. But if I'm behind, then checking will save me more chips. Can't have it both ways.

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Can you explain this please? This seems to be a way ahead/way behind situation. He has AK or a full-house type hand, or I have him drawing to at most 3 outs.

[/ QUOTE ] I suppose it's possible that the villain has AK or a 4 in his hand, but that would be a very unusual holding, given his pf play. Ax or a different pair is much more likely. You certainly shouldn't be afraid of this flop. Bet it out.

JSchnett 10-25-2007 04:28 PM

Re: Second hand of a $150+12 on FT. AQs against a CO min-raise and cal
 
PF I think calling might be better but raising is fine too.

Bet the flop though.

betgo 10-25-2007 05:48 PM

Re: Second hand of a $150+12 on FT. AQs against a CO min-raise and call.
 
You could certainly bet the flop, but I don't mind as played on every street.

Hattifnatt 10-25-2007 05:50 PM

Re: Second hand of a $150+12 on FT. AQs against a CO min-raise and call.
 
I just call preflop.

jcm4ccc 10-25-2007 07:08 PM

Re: Second hand of a $150+12 on FT. AQs against a CO min-raise and cal
 
[ QUOTE ]
You could certainly bet the flop, but I don't mind as played on every street.

[/ QUOTE ] the turn and the river are good cards for the hero, because they significantly reduce the chance that the villain is holding 22 or 44. So it seems that the hero's strategy from the start was to c\c down to the river. I think, in the long run, that strategy will lose more chips than it gains with this particular hand. The villain will rarely bet all 3 streets when behind (A9 is checking the river), and will always bet all 3 streets when ahead.


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