stars 180 turbo...back to back big hands early...same villan
 

very early in Stars turbo 12 180...back to back big hands against same villan (no reads)...lines okay? CR on hand 2 river had me worried but have to call I think? I'm not sure why I donk bet that river if anyone asks!

Hand 1:
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t10/t20
9 players

UTG: t1500
UTG+1: t1500
Hero: t1500
MP2: t1500
MP3: t1500
CO: t1320
Button: t1720
SB: t1480
BB: t1480

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds
Hero raises to t60
5 folds
BB calls t40

Flop: (t130) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks
Hero bets t100
BB calls t100

Turn: (t330) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks
Hero bets t220
BB folds.
Uncalled bets: t220 returned to Hero.

Final pot: t330


Hand 2:
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t10/t20
9 players

UTG: t1500
Hero: t1670
MP1: t1500
MP2: t1500
MP3: t1320
CO: t1720
Button: t1470
SB: t1320
BB: t1500

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds
Hero raises to t60
5 folds
SB calls t50
BB folds.

Flop:| (t140) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks
Hero bets t100
SB calls t100

Turn: (t340) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks
Hero bets t220
SB calls t220

River: (t780) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks
Hero bets t300
SB raises all-in t940
Hero calls t640


Final pot: t2660

Re: stars 180 turbo...back to back big hands early...same villan
 

Hand 1 completely fine
Hand 2 is pretty close but I don't know, at these levels you're rarely going to see someone checkraise the river as a bluff so I'd actually lean towards folding. I'd love to hear more input from others though since I'm still fairly new to mtts

Re: stars 180 turbo...back to back big hands early...same villan
 

Hand one... A little deep for me to be checking behind on flop/turn if that's what you're thinking... Flop is too scary to check behind, turn has too much value not to bet in a turbo, and we'll gladly take this pot now. Different structure though may be a check behind on flop (if it didn't look like this one) or turn letting him bluff off a few chips on the river.

Hand 2 Again the turbo format kinda keeps our foot to the floor, but that's an ugly turn river combo. It's kinda tough to put him on a hand by his play though, he's raising the flop or turn w J9, T8, sets..hard to put a T that beats us on the turn play, he's definitely not letting us see the river cheap beating us here. cautious TT... ThJh..68...?
In the heat of the moment I would prolly fold cause those cards are so scary, then later struggle to put him on a hand...
easy to say check behind on river (which non turbo is easy), but I am in a different frame of mind in the turbos... push edge hard, sign up for next one.. leak maybe...

results
 

villan turned over QK off in hand two...called my flop be with no pair or draw and the turn with a gutshot...the best part is he tried to advise me for a while how I misplayed my hand by slowplaying????

I guess the river could have been a fold but chipspeak put it best in that I could not for the life of me put him on a hand given the action...check behind in a turbo given that I had been pounding him for two hands seemed pretty weak also

Re: stars 180 turbo...back to back big hands early...same villan
 

i cant believe noone said this yet, raise to atleast 80 preflop, i go 100 but i suck sooo

Re: stars 180 turbo...back to back big hands early...same villan
 

usually yes but after the first hand I wanted to keep it consistant and table hadnt been playing to a lot of raises...plus this early I think I can lay them if I have to if we go mutiway

Re: stars 180 turbo...back to back big hands early...same villan
 

I wouldn't raise to 80 preflop. All you're doing is broadcasting a big pair. Inexperienced players typically do this as they're afraid to see a multiway flop and make hard decisions later in the hand.

Which line would you rather have:

A) Raise to 80-100, get the pot heads up, *maybe* bust someone with TP vs your overpair, but most likely win a 300 chip pot (and rarely have to fold or make a hard decision).

B) Raise to 50, get a 5 way pot, and have to fold often but occasionally make top set to 2 pair or draws and win a 500 pot commonly and 6500 pot often?

While (B) is the more difficult line, it's going to make you more in the long run.

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Second point: AA right after you win a hand can be worth more than the actual hand is worth. Contrary to what I just said, if you raise a bit more (80-100) with a hand immediately after you've been involved in a pot, you can get a bit more action. If you lost a pot, you're on tilt. If you won a pot, you're a maniac. Both are small human tendencies, and if you are playing against people who are paying attention (typically live), you can extract or build a bit more.