JJ vs suspected lag/donk
 

It's early, so I don't know much about the villain, but I suspect he's very loose/bad.

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Profiles and Stacks:
http://weaktight.com/img/i15.gif UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$358.76</font>) 33.3/16.7/3.0 (<font color="#0000cc">6</font>)
http://weaktight.com/img/i1.gif CO (<font color="#0000cc">$910.20</font>) <font color="#008800">60.0</font>/<font color="#008800">33.3</font>/1.5 (<font color="#0000cc">15</font>)
http://weaktight.com/img/i15.gif Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$546.00</font>) 33.3/13.3/<font color="#cc0000">4.0</font> (<font color="#0000cc">15</font>)
http://weaktight.com/img/i1.gif SB (<font color="#0000cc">$494.90</font>) 33.3/20.0/3.0 (<font color="#0000cc">15</font>)
http://weaktight.com/img/i1.gif BB (<font color="#0000cc">$67.68</font>) <font color="#008800">46.7</font>/<font color="#cc0000">6.7</font>/2.0 (<font color="#0000cc">15</font>)

Pre-flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is BTN J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $8</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $24</font>, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $100</font>, <font color="#0000cc"> $76 to Hero ($522)?</font> [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: JJ vs suspected lag/donk
 

How do the games generally play, I mean how uncommon is a 4bet

Re: JJ vs suspected lag/donk
 

I think I get it in here against a 60/33 guy...

Re: JJ vs suspected lag/donk
 

60/33 over 15 hands lol. Given he has over 2 buyins my default presumption would be that he's good. In any case I'd play this how I normally play JJ and that is see and shove most flops. The reason is that if you shove now you raise out all worse hands whereas if you call you get an extra-cbet from those worse hands. In either case you'll be stacking off against QQ+. Of course this only applies since you're in position postflop and if I were in the blinds I'd reshove preflop.

Re: JJ vs suspected lag/donk
 

15 hands is nothing. don't even put up stats.

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Given he has over 2 buyins my default presumption would be that he's good

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This is ridiculous. I'm surprised to hear this nonsense over and over.

Re: JJ vs suspected lag/donk
 

how is that a bad presumption. im not saying 80% of them will turn out to be good nor even that 40% or 20% of them will but i certainly think the chance of someone being good is greater when they have more than doubled up. The same goes for people with obviously 2+2 or pocketfives names. why wouldn't that be a smart initial presumption to work with? if u sit at the casino and see a guy sitting with a mountain of chips do u presume 'all equally bad until i find otherwise?' when this guy is clearly more likely to be good than the guy who has half a buyin remaining

Re: JJ vs suspected lag/donk
 

hardly anyone 4 bets at 2/4, i think this allows him to play perfectly against us. and 15 hands is meaningless.