NL100: KK in SB facing UTG Raiser & BB minraiser
 

Is this one of those situations where I should let go of KK? The UTG AI wasn't too surprising, and could easily just be a move. The BB's almost min-raise was suspicious, given the action before him. What do you do here?


Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP1: $111.55
MP2: $131.05
CO: $100
BTN: $98.50
Hero (SB): $150.45
BB: $138.90
UTG: $54.50
UTG+1: $78.70

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $4</font>, 5 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $23</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $54.50 and is All-In</font>, Hero ???

Re: NL100: KK in SB facing UTG Raiser & BB minraiser
 

ROFL! Is this joke?

Re: NL100: KK in SB facing UTG Raiser & BB minraiser
 

There was a thread a few days ago (in micro NL?) about NEVER folding KK preflop for 100BB. But a min raise 4bet followed by an all in raise from shorty UTG? Plus if you call then you may get BB reraising all in. You only have $12 invested in this hand so the question is...are you willing to stack off w/ KK given this PF action? A few PT stats would be really helpful here to get an idea about how often BB &amp; UTG raise PF.

Reasons to find a fold:

(1) you have 150 BB, not 100.

(2) your call of all in push from UTG PF doesn't close the betting so you may get reraised all in from BB.

(3) minraise from BB after you 3-bet may be a pot sweetner to entice a call.

(4) there are fewer combinations of AK since you've got 2 in your hand.


Reasons to call (or raise):

(1) you have KK &amp; your 3bet may look like a standard raise w/ a good but not great pair (99 to QQ) or AK given that you are OOP. if your range is that wide, then BB or UTG may not necessarily have AA.

(2) does UTG tilting? (or just playing aggressively w/ a short stack w/ a good but not great pair or AK PF?)

(3) your pot odds for the call are not bad (abt 3:1).

This is a really tough spot. But I am not capable of folding KK PF so I would push all in, say a brief prayer to the FE gods &amp; hope that BB calls &amp; has QQ.

NOTE: I would also throw mouse across room if BB turns over AA.

Re: NL100: KK in SB facing UTG Raiser & BB minraiser
 

wtfffffffffff just shove stop making threads about this

Re: NL100: KK in SB facing UTG Raiser & BB minraiser
 

Thanks for the serious analysis. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

UTG Raiser is 15/8/3.7

BB is 23/3.4/4.3

Note: I had to update PT to 2.17.00i and run a manual fix to find the missing BB player. For some reason, it didn't show him in the PT player list, although he shows up as having over 100 hands in the summary tab.

Re: NL100: KK in SB facing UTG Raiser & BB minraiser
 

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wtfffffffffff just shove stop making threads about this

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Re: NL100: KK in SB facing UTG Raiser & BB minraiser
 

While utg is pretty tight, I shove kk every time here...

Re: NL100: KK in SB facing UTG Raiser & BB minraiser
 

Against one player, this is an easy push. Assuming you've been playing tight as well, I can find a fold here. BB's raises seems to be geared towards keeping you in the pot. I'd sooner call a shove here than this minraise, to be honest.

Re: NL100: KK in SB facing UTG Raiser & BB minraiser
 

This is such an easy shove

Re: NL100: KK in SB facing UTG Raiser & BB minraiser
 

stop this madness