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It's broke obv.

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just give it to ohio state annually

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just give it to the sec champ annually

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you really wanna give it to tennessee this year?

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This year, use computers, Strength of schedule, etc.

The subjective polls for AP and coaches will be all over the map.

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Four team playoff. No more than that. The number 5 team has not ever (prior to this year) in the history of the BCS had a legitimate claim to the national title in my opinion. It *might* happen this year, but it still might not, and that would be a massive fluke. Let the top four battle it out, everyone who deserves a shot gets one, use the current BCS formula to determine it (with more computers included, so that it's a genuine computer POLL), and you're golden.

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the current system really freaking sucks.

Right now you have OSU hanging around and rooting for either Mizzou or WV to lose so they can sneak their way back to the championship game.
And who knows what might happen if either wins particularly unimpressively..OSU might sneak in anyway.
And if both Mizzou AND WV happen to lose then you have the issue of trying to decide which opponent for OSU is least unworthy. OU, LSU, GA, VT whoever.

Current system is idiotic.
With teams like Boise State last year a true playoff could have been particularly exciting.

This year I would love to see an 8 team playoff with something like these 6 teams probably going:
OSU
Mizzou
VT
LSU
WV
USC

And then a few others in the running for the final 2 spots such as HAW, TEN, GA, OU, maybe BC, maybe somebody else I'm forgetting.

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BTW, current system is more than acceptable.

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Four team playoff. No more than that. The number 5 team has not ever (prior to this year) in the history of the BCS had a legitimate claim to the national title in my opinion. It *might* happen this year, but it still might not, and that would be a massive fluke. Let the top four battle it out, everyone who deserves a shot gets one, use the current BCS formula to determine it (with more computers included, so that it's a genuine computer POLL), and you're golden.

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I'm okay with a 4 team system as well.
But with an 8 team system you have a better opportunity to give a team like HAW or BSU a chance when they put together an awesome season. And personally, I think it would be exciting seeing a BSU/OU type game with more on the line than just Fiesta Bowl Pride.

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you really wanna give it to tennessee this year?

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Four team playoff. No more than that. The number 5 team has not ever (prior to this year) in the history of the BCS had a legitimate claim to the national title in my opinion. It *might* happen this year, but it still might not, and that would be a massive fluke. Let the top four battle it out, everyone who deserves a shot gets one, use the current BCS formula to determine it (with more computers included, so that it's a genuine computer POLL), and you're golden.

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I'm okay with a 4 team system as well.
But with an 8 team system you have a better opportunity to give a team like HAW or BSU a chance when they put together an awesome season. And personally, I think it would be exciting seeing a BSU/OU type game with more on the line than just Fiesta Bowl Pride.

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That would be a nice upside to an 8 team tourney, but it's not worth the downside of giving teams like LSU/USC/Kansas shots that they don't deserve because they managed to hang around in the top 8. It would devalue the regular season too much. USC's loss to Stanford SHOULD eliminate them from contention (if they lose a second game as well). In a four-team playoff it still does. In an eight-team playoff they can still backdoor their way in, and that's bad. Bad enough that an eight-team playoff would be worse than the current system.

Best options in order:
1. Four team "and one" playoff
2. Current BCS
3. Eight team playoff

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That would be a nice upside to an 8 team tourney, but it's not worth the downside of giving teams like LSU/USC/Kansas shots that they don't deserve because they managed to hang around in the top 8. It would devalue the regular season too much. USC's loss to Stanford SHOULD eliminate them from contention (if they lose a second game as well). In a four-team playoff it still does. In an eight-team playoff they can still backdoor their way in, and that's bad. Bad enough that an eight-team playoff would be worse than the current system.

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Who exactly do you think would make a 4 team playoff this year? It would be West Virginia, Ohio State, the OU/Mizzou winner and..... USC. Do you really think a Bulldog team that doesn't win its own division or an LSU that tanked at the end of the year would get in over Pete Carroll's bunch?

Usually, I'm all for an 8-team playoff, and I still think it's the best long-term solution, but this year, I'm glad that it's just the top 2. Every team's had their fair shot and it's made the end of the season much more exciting.

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10 game regular season, 16 team playoff

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I have no idea who the best team in college football is, and I doubt I would have any idea after any size playoff you decide to use. However, at least we would have arrived at a championship game using some objectivity.

The problem comes down to picking who makes the tournament. NCAAB is fine with this because the controversy usually ends up being Team A is seeded to high or low, but a 64 team football tournament would never work. A system using a selection committee would face the same problems as the current system. A system that attempted to make comparable schedules would destroy the tradition of conferences.

There is, of course, Bowl money to worry about, too. Ugh. This will never get done.

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At the end of the season, put every team's name in a hat. If you want to make it interesting, give each team a number of entries equal to their number of wins (or weight it somehow, like the factorial of wins or something).

Brent Musberger pulls a name from the hat, and the winner plays Notre Dame for the national championship.

The advantages of this system over the current system should be obvious. I'll let others elaborate.

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There is, of course, Bowl money to worry about, too. Ugh. This will never get done.

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You don't think there would be money in a playoff?

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In an eight-team playoff they can still backdoor their way in, and that's bad.

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meh. all year long I think we've had one team trying to out-backdoor the other to get back into the race.
I forget the order but it was just silly with each 1 or 2 team losing week after week and 2 other teams 'backdooring' their way into the chase only because somebody else lost.

It doesn't make it exciting for me. I just think it's kind of stupid. I like the games enough as it is but all this stuff of "USF loses and now BC is in the picture...BC loses and now Oregon is in the picture...Oregon loses and now Kansas is in the picture...LSU loses, again, and now WV is in the picture" blah blah blah.

It's non-stop backdooring and you still have OSU hoping they get to backdoor their way in if OU can knock of Mizzou.

So I don't really have a problem with LSU backdooring their way in to a 4 team or 8 team playoff. I feel like it's happening every single week.
You will simply have a situation of 2 losses still being realistically good enough to stay in the title chase. Losing 3 games and you are most certainly out.
A BCS team losing only 1 game all year pretty much gets to stay in the picture more often than not although you will have some situations like KU right now who would likely not make the cut.


Anyway, my preference would actually be for 16 teams in a college playoff.
Give teams like HAW, BSU and maybe even BYU a chance.
I think it would be tremendously exciting. If they get blown out by LSU or OSU by 45 points then no biggie. Not really different than Duke winning their first round basketball game by 45 points.

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There is, of course, Bowl money to worry about, too. Ugh. This will never get done.

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You don't think there would be money in a playoff?

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The Bowl money argument is so absurd.

You could still have all the non-bcs bowls, the Motor city bowl wouldn't be any more meaningless than it already is. It wouldn't devalue their product one bit.

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One thing I'd really like to see is to only allow computer rankings that publish their formula. I'm a little leery currently of how couched in secrecy all of them except one are, transparency is a good thing.

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There is, of course, Bowl money to worry about, too. Ugh. This will never get done.

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You don't think there would be money in a playoff?

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The Bowl money argument is so absurd.

You could still have all the non-bcs bowls, the Motor city bowl wouldn't be any more meaningless than it already is. It wouldn't devalue their product one bit.

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It's gonna come down to how to spread the BCS money out, you don't want to give it to the same team in the semi's and the finals. I think that would be absurd, but it can obviously be fixed.

FTW, all I want to see is a +1 and that is all. I love the bowl system and wouldn't want anything to ever have it taken away from NCAAF. So do a 4 team playoff to make everyone happy and stop there please. I think they are just afraid that if they concede that then when will they be forced to concede a 6 team with a top 2 bye week or a 8 team playoffs, ect.

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I'd love to see an 8 team playoff. 6 BCS Conference champions. The 2 extra spots go to 1. Any other undefeated team, then 2. The best available team as determined by whatever formula is deemed best to determine the best at large team.

I just think this would be very fun. Also, throw in home field advantage for the first 2 games. I'd love to see USC or Florida try to come to the Big House or the Horseshoe and win a game in December.

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meh...play the opening rounds at the current bowl games. Even call them the bowls if you like.

So the Rose Bowl and Orange Bowls are semi-finals one year..etc etc.

You have so many teams that you are pulling out of major BCS bowls and just abandoning those bowls or giving them 2nd place teams just so you can have the games played on home-field would hurt more than it would help.
People are attached to the bowl-system in some ways and rightly so thus you want to try to keep that if you can.

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8 teams would be ideal, but would never happen. 4 teams is more feasible. The 5th place team will bitch that they shoulda made it, but so would the 8th team in an 8 team playoff. Hell, the 66th ranked basketball team usually whines about not making the tourney.

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1) Put another team in the Big Televen and give them a championship game to balance out that mess.

2) Keep the BCS. Keep the bowls. The conference winners have at it in all the bowl games.

3) After the bowls, do an additional BCS standings.

4) Now select the #1 and #2 teams to play in the NCG.

So, in effect, your bowl games become your playoffs, and the winners can have at it in the championship game. You keep the bowl games so the bowl$$ is fine, and you only add one game to the schedule so it kills the playoffs=too many games argument.

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The problem with having an only 4 team playoff is that there aren't enough major bowl games as this system would yield only 3 major bowls. Currently the BSC has 4 major bowls and then the championship a week later, 5 total major bowls.

With an 8 team playoff, play 4 major bowls as scheduled around New years Day and then the 4 winners play the next week and then the championship game the following week, 6 major bowls, every year rotating the bowls.

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1) Put another team in the Big Televen and give them a championship game to balance out that mess.

2) Keep the BCS. Keep the bowls. The conference winners have at it in all the bowl games.

3) After the bowls, do an additional BCS standings.

4) Now select the #1 and #2 teams to play in the NCG.

So, in effect, your bowl games become your playoffs, and the winners can have at it in the championship game. You keep the bowl games so the bowl$$ is fine, and you only add one game to the schedule so it kills the playoffs=too many games argument.

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I actually like this but you know that there will still be controversy with "4) Now select the #1 and #2 teams to play in the NCG." This is still a subjective system where the champion is not determined on the field.

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Four team playoff. No more than that.

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The problem with having an only 4 team playoff is that there aren't enough major bowl games as this system would yield only 3 major bowls. Currently the BSC has 4 major bowls and then the championship a week later, 5 total major bowls.

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You keep the current system and make sure 1 plays 4 and 2 plays 3, then you have a title game a week or two later. The other bcs conference/at large teams and games still exist.

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8 team playoff. Top 2 teams get a bye to the 3rd round. Teams #3 and #4 get a bye for the first round only. Any undefeated team is guaranteed a spot.

I feel as if this gives us what we want(a champion decided on the field) but still rewards the regular season.

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Four team playoff. No more than that. The number 5 team has not ever (prior to this year) in the history of the BCS had a legitimate claim to the national title in my opinion.

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Boise St last year?

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8 team playoff is my preference, 4 team playoff would be an improvement over what we have now. 16 team playoff is a bit much (the bottom teams mostly wouldn't be able to hang with the top dogs), but it would be entertaining to watch. December madness anyone? I would think the TV networks would lobby for it because of the advertising dollars it would generate. The January 1st bowl game tradition makes little sense as currently constituted, where everyone takes a month off before playing their most important game of the season. A playoff could fill that vacuum nicely.

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Apparently, people took my thread to mean something other than what I said. All I meant was: don't count conference championship game losses in a team's total. The end.

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Nah. I just don't think we need multiple threads to all agree that things as they stand today are messed up. And since that tangent also tends to derail other threads as well, it makes sense to contain it all in one place.

Personally, if ones conference wants the $ of a conference championship game, then they have to live with the losses it creates. Also, it forces teams to play a legit schedule. I mean, KU could've just gone 11-0 playing one "tough" game, on a neutral field vs Mizery.

And, Mizery even if they lose is still likely to get a BCS bid IMO. But certainly who the heck knows anymore.

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Since ClarkNasty locked the other thread, I didn't get a chance to respond to this:

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Say that Mizzou and WVU lose. Would you rather tOSU play Hawaii or a 2 loss team in the NT?

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As an Ohio State fan, I would love this to happen. It would be a lock to win the Nat'l Title for us.




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Yeah, because tOSU would be huge favorites over say USC or LSU. Oh, wait.

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Ohio State would be a lock over Hawaii, not LSU or USC. I meant to say I'd love for tOSU to play Hawaii.

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OK, here is how I would work the system. End the Regular season in the last week in November (cut teams down to a 11 game schedule excluding conference championship games)

First 2 Saturdays in December you play the first 2 rounds at the home field of the higher seed.

On the 2nd Sunday in December (assuming Dec 1st isn't a Sunday) you make bowl selections. All teams who were in the playoffs play in BCS Bowls depending on conference, etc...

Play out the rest of the schedule as it is right now with bowl games going from mid-December to the National Championship game in early January.

Have the actual national championship game where the winner is decided on the field. This also cuts down on the break between the last game and the NC game so you don't have a 3 month layoff like tOSU had last year.