NL100: QQ in the CO line check
 

Villain was like 40/8, relatively passive but I didn't have more than 30 hands on him at the time.


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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero ($98.50)</font>
Button ($94.05)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($224.60)</font>
BB ($27.75)
UTG ($103.60)
UTG+1 ($104.50)
MP1 ($99.05)
MP2 ($17.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $3.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($9) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $22</font>, SB calls $14.

<font color="blue"> I'm assuming this flop range is standard. After his call, I'm 'narrowing' his range to 89, JT-AT, 33, 66-JJ, AK. QQ is about a 3:1 favorite at this point over this range.</font>

Turn: ($53) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

<font color="blue"> I checked this turn for pot control, plannin to call a blank river bet, seeing as a set already has me crushed, and AK/AT just went ahead. Should I be betting here? Am I passing up on value from a straight draw/AT/JT/small pp? </font>

River: ($53) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $10</font>, Hero calls $10.

<font color="blue"> Folding seems super weak, raising doesn't seem like it has any value, so calling seemed to be the right play here. Any other thoughts on the river as played? </font>

Final Pot: $73

Re: NL100: QQ in the CO line check
 

Honestly, I prefer just calling the flop. After that the rest is standard though.

Re: NL100: QQ in the CO line check
 

I like your line, though I prefer the flopbet to be a little higher more like 26-28$.

Re: NL100: QQ in the CO line check
 

Agree with raising more on flop - pot is 33, id go for 28-30 or thereabouts, rest plays out pretty standard for me.

Re: NL100: QQ in the CO line check
 

If he 3bets your flop raise are you folding? I think that is a pretty bad line if thats the case. I usually would hate stacking off here on the flop and thats why I'd just call. If you have a read that he leads/calls or b3b with weak hands though then the raise is fine as long as you get it in on blank turns or whatever or call his flop shove.

Re: NL100: QQ in the CO line check
 

I probably raise this flop more than I should. I agree with CDLs comments, as I'd feel like a chump folding to a 3b, and I'd feel even worse getting stacked.

CDL, are you c/c a psb on the turn? If he fires close to pot all 3 streets, are you ever giving it up?

Re: NL100: QQ in the CO line check
 

why raise this flop? 40/x donks typically bet into the PFR when they have a weak hand and are scared of playing poker.

raising such a dry flop creates problems later on when the pot becomes too big and we find out villain actually has a hand/monster.

call this flop, then either call the turn or bet the turn for value. if he calls the turn bet, i bet the river again for value because by then we know he's an uber donk that b/c with weak hands (like KTo ATo QTo or even worse kickers)

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I probably raise this flop more than I should. I agree with CDLs comments, as I'd feel like a chump folding to a 3b, and I'd feel even worse getting stacked.

CDL, are you c/c a psb on the turn? If he fires close to pot all 3 streets, are you ever giving it up?

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If it blanks out then I'll call down. I will definitely fold to a big bet if an A or T comes and if he fires big on turn and river I might fold on the river with the K on board. Otherwise I just call this spewtard down.

Re: NL100: QQ in the CO line check
 

Yeah, as I look at this again, I think calling the flop might be more of a pot control mechanism, because folding to a 3bet does seem like a terrible plan.

So let's say I just call the flop bet and the K comes again. He fires a psb - fold? He bets half pot - call? he checks, check behind?

I think I fold to a big bet on the turn, probably go into call-down mode if he bets half pot, and would check behind on the turn and call a small bet on the river. How do these lines seem?

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Yeah, as I look at this again, I think calling the flop might be more of a pot control mechanism, because folding to a 3bet does seem like a terrible plan.

So let's say I just call the flop bet and the K comes again. He fires a psb - fold? He bets half pot - call? he checks, check behind?

I think I fold to a big bet on the turn, probably go into call-down mode if he bets half pot, and would check behind on the turn and call a small bet on the river. How do these lines seem?

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I'd call most turn bets on a king. Probably bet it if he checked it to me and then check behind on rivers if he c/c turn. Check behind turn is ok too though. If I checked behind turn I'd call all non-ten non-A rivers.