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HOWMANY 07-18-2007 02:43 AM

Basic value bet or no
 
Just remembered this one while watching Family Guy. 1/2 Commerce villain is Mimi Tran. I've been playing really tight and shown down QQ and TT only in like an hour at the table. The TT I flopped a set but got passive when a weak fish raised on turn. The QQ I got raised on J93r flop and tried to c/r turn (and then river when turn failed). So it might look like I am weak tight/passive. She has been playing pretty straightforward it seems and has shown down solid hands played in a logical fashion.

The game is probably like 6 handed. She raises CO, I 3bet 88 in sb.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I bet she calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
I bet she calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
This is a pretty easy bet right? I can't see her having a J so this is either a really passive T or 99 exactly or I win. Or perhaps a T is very unlikely so her hand is leaning toward A high/draw and it might be better to try and induce a bluff?

bigjoet 07-18-2007 02:50 AM

Re: Basic value bet or no
 
due to your image, she might've played a J/T very passively... i'd bet river though cuz she's checking behind ak/aq, and she's not checking J/T behind... it would cost you the same if you are behind and you lose a bet if you are ahead... if she hasnt raised, she's not gonna raise u w/ J/T on river...

DosXX 07-18-2007 03:50 AM

Re: Basic value bet or no
 
Serious question: if you bet and are raised, do you call?

Vehn 07-18-2007 03:55 AM

Re: Basic value bet or no
 
based on your image this is an easy check call

PokerBob 07-18-2007 03:55 AM

Re: Basic value bet or no
 
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Serious question: if you bet and are raised, do you call?

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if she think's he's a nit given how he played those earlier hands, 3boning would be really cool.

HOWMANY 07-18-2007 04:07 AM

Re: Basic value bet or no
 
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Serious question: if you bet and are raised, do you call?

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If I was playing bad I'd sit there and think a while before folding out of confusion and if I was playing well I'd probably instantly 3bet for the reason pokerbob stated but I doubt I would ever call because her hand will like always be better.

rafiki 07-18-2007 10:14 AM

Re: Basic value bet or no
 
What hands is she calling with that you beat when you bet ? I mean if she's calling with any piece that ok. I doubt she's folding a T for one more bet on the river. Can someone explain what value we're hoping to extract ? A high ?

gaming_mouse 07-18-2007 11:31 AM

Re: Basic value bet or no
 
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Serious question: if you bet and are raised, do you call?

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if she think's he's a nit given how he played those earlier hands, 3boning would be really cool.

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Nice idea.

Also, Howmany, given your image I don't see why she can't have a J or T here.... And for the same image reason, I don't see much value in a bet.

In the spirit of Bob's idea, what about a sexy?

DeathDonkey 07-18-2007 12:08 PM

Re: Basic value bet or no
 
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based on your image this is an easy check call

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I've played a lot with Mimi and I think check/fold is better than check/call here. She doesn't bluff in this way, she would raise the turn if she was going to semibluff / bluff the river. Like, even if she puts hero on AK here she isn't going to try to bluff him off it after just calling the turn. Value betting seems like a decent idea, but I think check/fold might be the play.

-DeathDonkey

TheBad 07-18-2007 12:13 PM

Re: Basic value bet or no
 
I donīt like the pf 3-bet, and i check/fold the river. With an T and an J and your image, she will not think that AK may be good.


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