On a scale of 1-10, how stupid is this?
 

Villain is 24/18, very aggressive stealing and on flop. He has no way of knowing this, but about once per 10k hands, I'll limp RR aces from EP, and that's pretty much the only hand I ever do it with. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I wanted to try it with AK once, like, I dunno, just because.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

dean06: $149.65
passtheganja: $600.00
Hero: $615.45
fededisc: $1,033.00
d3fault: $600.00
JmasterSolo: $570.15

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
Hero calls $6.00, <font color="red">fededisc raises to $27.00</font>, 4 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $100.00</font>, fededisc calls $73.00

Flop: ($209) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">fededisc bets $120.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $515.45</font>

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12. i dont think preflop is especially bad, tho.

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7.8

i'm having trouble finding a hand he could be bet/folding here.

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gotta bet the flop if you want to rep big, but i'd probably just c/f this flop. I think it completely nailed his range, and he's never folding queens or better.

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i hate it all.

u sir get a 10

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Yeah, it felt like tilt spew when I did it. So I was dumbfounded:

*** FLOP *** [9h Js Ts]
FristSux checks
fededisc has 15 seconds left to act
fededisc bets $120
FristSux raises to $515.45, and is all in
fededisc has 15 seconds left to act
fededisc: lol...
fededisc: did you limp RR aces?
fededisc is sitting out
fededisc has timed out
fededisc folds

Only thing I can think of is he made an ill-advised bet with AK-AT/underpair. Would this be less gross on a JT3 board? I'm thinking someone might actually fold QQ there (and 88/99).

With regards to leading out, my gut feeling is that it would not have worked. Like you said, this board hits his range in the face, and no one believes a cbet. A CR shove after a limp RR would looks so ridiculous that I thought it might be more believable, which doesn't make a lick of sense when I type it, lol, but that's what occurred to me in the moment. Like, I'd have to be insane not to have AA here.

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If I pulled this move pre and got a nicer flop, i'd probably 1/2 pot flop and shove turn to maximize my representation of aces and thus FE.

I think a c/r just looks so goofy that most players will make a curious call (unless of course they have some nonsense hand themself)

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When you say nicer flop, do you mean rags, or do you like having two broadway cards to give you the extra gutshot equity?

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Pretty stupid. The problem is your folding equity sucks for all the hands he bets here. Most hands he bets here arent going to fold when you push.

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When you say nicer flop, do you mean rags, or do you like having two broadway cards to give you the extra gutshot equity?

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rags are great, a lone J or T or whatever is cool. But I think the gutter equity of 2 broadways isnt particularly great because of the increased chance of him being way way ahead with a set. I didn't do any math or anything, but that seems about right to me.

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I like it

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i like this but bet/call the flop

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I like it

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7.8

i'm having trouble finding a hand he could be bet/folding here.

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ok fudge ill take a crack at it.. 77

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Everyone hates it, then I post he folded and people start liking it?

A hand that makes a lot of sense for him is AK.

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Everyone hates it, then I post he folded and people start liking it?


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Yeah you caught me red-handed. I just browse 2+2 all day for threads with results and then pile on.

It helps my coaching business!

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wow this is suicide. He calls this like 95 times out of 100.

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Everyone hates it, then I post he folded and people start liking it?

A hand that makes a lot of sense for him is AK.

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ummmmm i think a k shoves u preflop all day (at these stakes)

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i dislike the c/r on that flop...but you have repped a strong hand, but that is just a sick flop to do so on, and for him to fold he really has to have a big air ball, or KJ/AJ type hand...obv any combo draw is stacking here, and ya...i think the play worked simply cause he missed...although I suppose he could find a fold here with KK...?somehow...maybe not.

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This concept ain't real difficult.

You guys are obviously betting all your hopeless hands like 67 and 22 in villain's shoes.

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This concept ain't real difficult.

You guys are obviously betting all your hopeless hands like 67 and 22 in villain's shoes.

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You call a big limp reraise with those hands?

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This nails his range pretty much, and his smallish bet looks like it's BEGGING for call or raise, so I'd say about a 9 on the 1-10 scale.

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It is funny that everyone hated it before results were posted, then everyone loves it cos he made villain fold... so what, 2+2 = "results central"!?!?!?

This really isn't that good, his range that would come to flop with you has you beat here. You essentially have a gutshot, an A or K on the turn/river doesn't even necessarily make you the winner given his range. You've said that you're in an incredile downswing lately and this is just not something to get you back on the winning track. Villain's probably misplayed the hand if he really just came to flop with junk that had to be laid down.

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This concept ain't real difficult.

You guys are obviously betting all your hopeless hands like 67 and 22 in villain's shoes.

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we would never have these hands.

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flop=15

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I don't know what the hell calls a limp-reraise to 100.

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I think the flop is terrible personally, even after seeing results.

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This is bad, off the scales

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why couldnt a really thinking vilian put hero on exactly AA in the situation (especially if he hasnt seen hero do it before) and fold KK, (and even QQ sometimes if hes crazy)

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hate it. he has 99+ too often

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why couldnt a really thinking vilian put hero on exactly AA in the situation (especially if he hasnt seen hero do it before) and fold KK, (and even QQ sometimes if hes crazy)

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Part of me wants to believe this guy might have actually folded KK, just because it would be the most awesomest thing ever.

But QQ (and 88) has 10 outs against aces, so it can't fold once it bets, it's pot committed. Like I alluded to earlier, there might have been some merit to this move on a J-T-rag board, but I didn't realize just how heinous that 9 makes this play until after I posted.

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I think the flop is terrible personally, even after seeing results.

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This just looks like a random spew, kinda like playing big pots by numbers. He almost always has 88+ and you are hardly ever folding anything he bets.