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LearnedfromTV 09-12-2007 06:02 PM

****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
Original thread: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...14#Post12056706 (Can a mod lock it, please?)

Entry fee:

$1000, sent to Entropy xx (Chicago) before the start of Event 1 (Friday 3pm eastern). After sending, post here with your screen name.

Scoring:

Every cash will be awarded points based on the following formula, which is a modified version of the pokerstars tlb formula intended to somewhat smooth the effect of huge cashes: Points = 10 * [n^(1/3)/k^(1/3)] * [1+log(b+0.25)], where n is your finish, k is the field size, and b is the buyin. (Under this formula, winning the main event, assuming 2500 entries, will be equivalent to ~9 minimum cashes. Under the tlb formula it'd be equivalent to ~20).

Unlike the TLB system, you will only be awarded points for cashing, not top 15%.

All cashes count. Highest total score wins.

For the two rebuy events, the buyin number will be (Total prize pool)/(Total entrants), which I imagine will get the $215r nlhe somewhere in the $600-$800 range, and the $320r plo somewhere in the $1k-$1500 range.

Payout:

0-9 entries will be winner-take-all, 10-18 entries will pay two spots, (70/30). 19+ entries will pay three spots (50/30/20). I doubt we will but if we get way more entries then expected we'll deal with payout to 4 or 5 then.

Scoring examples:

A few people have asked whether missing events will cost them too much. Here are the number of points you will earn for various finishes. Generally, skipping a few of the smaller field events (i.e. the non-NLHE events), especially the $215 ones, will not hurt your ability to win the contest very much. Also, I doubt very many people will be playing every event. Basically, scores for small cashes aren't much different for big events and small events, but big cashes are worth significantly more in big events. That said, whoever wins this will probably have 4-5 cashes, including 2-3 good cashes; obviously the more events you play the better chance you have.

$200/200 entrants: 1st = 193.08, 6th = 106.25, 20th = 71.13
$200/500 entrants: 1st = 262.05, 6th = 144.21, 15th = 106.25, 50th = 71.13
$200/1000 entrants: 1st = 330.16, 10th = 158.72, 20th = 123.73, 70th = 80.11, 100th = 71.13
$200/2500 entrants: 1st = 448.09, 10th = 207.99, 20th = 165.08, 70th = 108.73, 150th = 84.33, 250th = 71.13

$500: above numbers multiplied by 1.12.

$1000: above numbers multiplied by 1.21.

$2500: above numbers multipled by 1.33.

Winning the Main Event, assuming 2500 entries, would be 596.60 points.

Standings

Assuming I'm around (nearly every day), I'll post a scoring breakdown for the day's events after the first break, and update standings each day before the next day's events start. [/b]

McShove 09-12-2007 06:06 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
I'm in.

LearnedfromTV 09-12-2007 06:54 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
In and paid so far:

Randallin
McShove
LearnedfromTV

HoosierAlum 09-12-2007 08:30 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
5k horse doesn't count right?

LearnedfromTV 09-12-2007 09:00 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
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5k horse doesn't count right?

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Field size is a bigger factor in the scoring than buyin, so I don't see any reason to exclude it. I doubt anyone is playing it anyway.

If everyone wants to exclude it, that's fine. I don't care either way.

HoosierAlum 09-12-2007 09:03 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
I would rather exclude it.

T_Mac 09-12-2007 11:33 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
in and sent

djk123 09-12-2007 11:57 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
im gonna do the contest and think im going to be playing the 5k horse. why should it be excluded? i think the small size of the field will counteract the big buyin

LearnedfromTV 09-13-2007 12:14 AM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
Scoring info to help w/ the 5200 horse decision:

Points for winning $5k/300 entrants = 314.57, or about half of winning the main event or the other two sunday events (the 530 and the 1050). With 300 entrants, the Horse would probably be the sixth or seventh highest worth event, after those three, the 215r and the two six max nlhe. the 320r plo and 1k lhe might be bigger too, and it's possible some of the other events will have big enough fields to be worth more (a $215 event needs like 1300 entrants). I wouldn't be surprised if you get more points for winning the 215 horse than the 5200.

Even after modifying the formula, field size is still the main factor, just less so than in the regular tlb formula.

T_Mac 09-13-2007 01:51 AM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
imo keep the horse, even though I wont be playing it

stevepa 09-13-2007 10:17 AM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
Sent. I don't see why you'd get rid of the horse. I'm playing but likely massively -EV [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

edit: stevejpa on stars

djk123 09-13-2007 11:55 AM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
money sent sn is djk123

btw LFT you are really smart

LearnedfromTV 09-13-2007 07:42 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
In and paid so far:

Randallin
McShove
LearnedfromTV
T_Mac
stevepa
djk123

Less than 24 hours left to enter.

BillyBizzle 09-13-2007 08:56 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
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Less than 24 hours left to enter.

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My advice: Leave registration open until just before event 5 (the first Sunday NLHE event) in order to pick up any players that are flying back from Europe, etc etc. If they join after a tourney starts, they don't get any points for those previous tourneys obv.

schwah 09-13-2007 09:34 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
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Sent. I don't see why you'd get rid of the horse. I'm playing but likely massively -EV [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

edit: stevejpa on stars

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doesnt stars cover your wcoop buyins? tough to be -ev in a freeroll :P


i might be in, might not.. dunno if i want to commit to playing most of the events.. ill decide tomorrow i guess

LearnedfromTV 09-13-2007 10:48 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
[ QUOTE ]
My advice: Leave registration open until just before event 5 (the first Sunday NLHE event) in order to pick up any players that are flying back from Europe, etc etc. If they join after a tourney starts, they don't get any points for those previous tourneys obv.

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I like this. I don't see any harm in it. Hell, they can wait till the main event if they want to. So, officially, at least through the weekend, you can register late, but any events played before you sent the $ don't count.

Cutting it off at the 530 makes the most sense, since anyone who misses that will be a a significant disadvantage, but I guess if someone wanted to jump in halfway through there would be no reason not to let them.

Maybe we all blank through the m.e. and everyone can join!

On a sidenote, I'd like to sidebet anyone on just the non-holdem events, maybe something like one of each game other than holdem. up to $500, maybe more.

LearnedfromTV 09-13-2007 10:52 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
oh, since everyone who has committed and expressed an opinion said count the 5200 horse, we count the 5200 horse.

Can I get a one-time timex? I can beat 10/20 in most of the horse games, I've gotta be +EV v Victor Ramdin, Tom McEvoy, and that chick dariomineri.

djk123 09-13-2007 11:16 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
i think the horse will be a great tourney. and if u beat 10/20 u shud be ++++ev

stealthmunk 09-14-2007 11:48 AM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
$ shipped, aperfectgent, gl donks.

LearnedfromTV 09-14-2007 02:38 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
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$ shipped, aperfectgent, gl donks.

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gl JJ

schwah 09-14-2007 02:47 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
eh what the hell, shipping

Boosted J 09-14-2007 03:20 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
can me and durrrr enter this still? only 20 mins in and I have below avg and durrr isnt even playing since he's in WSOPE...response fast pleaseeee, will ship whoever

LearnedfromTV 09-14-2007 03:24 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
[ QUOTE ]
can me and durrrr enter this still? only 20 mins in and I have below avg and durrr isnt even playing since he's in WSOPE...response fast pleaseeee, will ship whoever

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uhoh here come the big guns.

sure; send to entropy xx (chicago).

(I checked and Boosted J has 2870; Holdem_NL not entered).

Boosted J 09-14-2007 03:31 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
sent 2k for both of us

Boosted J 09-14-2007 03:32 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
Hold_emNL and Boosted J

LearnedfromTV 09-14-2007 04:07 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
Boosted transfer hasn't come through yet but I'm assuming it will. So ten entrants:

Randallin
McShove
LearnedfromTV (Entropy xx)
T_Mac
stevepa
djk123
schwah
stealthmunk (APerfectGent)
durrrr (Hold_emNL)
Boosted J

Will pay two spots, $7k/$3k.

For event 1 (4610 entrants, 534 pay):

1st = 549.48, 10th = 255.05, 50th = 149.15, 100th = 118.38, 300th = 82.08, 534th = 67.73.

Gl all. Still open, but if you enter now event 1 doesn't count.

durrrr 09-14-2007 04:29 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
can i still get in this? i didnt play event 1, im just starting event 2

edit: ty boosted

LearnedfromTV 09-14-2007 05:48 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
event # 2 (857 entrants, pays 108): 1st = 313.60, 10th = 145.56, 50th = 85.13, 108th = 65.85.

Boosted transfer still hasn't come through. Other 8 are paid.

Also, HoosierAlum and I have a $500 sidebet on some of the non-nlhe for which I'm holding $$; just posting to make it public.

Boosted J 09-14-2007 06:49 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
was sent quite a while ago......let me email

LearnedfromTV 09-15-2007 03:19 AM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
v drunk, having just gojne out and gotten hammered after getting 16th in the second chance 6max for meaningless $ and which doesn't even [censored] count for this thing.

Here are results through day 1:

Everyone: 0 points.

I was going to list out everyone's finishes, and I do have them written down, but [censored] it. Um, no one cashed. In either event.

Semi-congrats go out to djk and T_Mac, who both came really close in both events. Try harder next time!

Boosted transfer still not here; if something is screwed up on stars you can send it on full tilt. name there is LearnedfromTV.

Boosted J 09-15-2007 02:52 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
sent 2k on ftp to your name, we're DEFINITELY in now, F stars transfers

LearnedfromTV 09-15-2007 03:12 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
[ QUOTE ]
sent 2k on ftp to your name, we're DEFINITELY in now, F stars transfers

[/ QUOTE ]

received; if stars shows up will ship back obv

T_Mac 09-15-2007 03:36 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
lol fantastic

stealthmunk 09-15-2007 04:48 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
I'll be surprised if I cash in a WCOOP.

LearnedfromTV 09-15-2007 04:53 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
Event 3 scoring (1818 entrants, 270 pay):

1st = 549.48, 10th = 255.05, 50th = 149.15, 100th = 118.38, 200th = 93.96, 270th = 85.02.

stevepa 09-15-2007 04:53 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
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I'll be surprised if I cash in a WCOOP.

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qft

LearnedfromTV 09-15-2007 05:23 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
Event 4 scoring (649 entrants, 84 pay):

1st = 285.85, 10th = 132.68, 25th = 97.76, 50th = 77.59, 84th = 65.27.

stealthmunk 09-15-2007 07:34 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
Did we really all go 0fer the first 3 events?

edit: just booosted is only one i see.

Boosted J 09-15-2007 08:30 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
[ QUOTE ]
Did we really all go 0fer the first 3 events?

edit: just booosted is only one i see.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm 45/127 left in Event 3, let me gogogogogogoo

Boosted J 09-15-2007 09:48 PM

Re: ****Official WCOOP Challenge Thread ($1k sidebet)****
 
23/67


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