175 bbs, KK pre
 

Trying to get max value here w/ KK. Regulars seem to just push all-in in spots like this. Is this the optimal play? What about calling and pushing first on the flop? Effective stacks are about 175 bbs. Is this EVER a fold with our stacks? Villain is a multitabling regular running at 19/17/5 over 373 hands.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($200)
MP ($357.25)
CO ($221.80)
Button ($240.85)
SB ($278.70)
Hero ($392.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $27</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $84</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero..

Re: 175 bbs, KK pre
 

I shove this every time. Especially if I have 3 bet him a few times in the past and he might be playing back at me.

Re: 175 bbs, KK pre
 

Someone recently said, this only gets interesting about 400bbs deep.

I agree.

Shove.

Re: 175 bbs, KK pre
 

Shove - so what if he has aces - no more decisions to make. Are you folding to an ace on the flop if you just call?

Re: 175 bbs, KK pre
 

never fold KK preflop unless PFR is like 1 over a bit of hands lulz

Re: 175 bbs, KK pre
 

I shoved and got rocketed up my ass. No problem. I'm curious though as to how deep we have to be for this NOT to be a shove. And at those deep stacks, what are our options in a hand like this? 5-bet pre and fold to anymore action or call the raise pre, check-call flop and shut down turn, etc.

Re: 175 bbs, KK pre
 

who is this?