weird situation. is there any ethics consideration here?
 

the gist: i flop the nuts, other guy flops 2nd-nuts. he shows me his cards, essentially to be a nice guy and to let me off the hook.

question: after his gesture of kindness, does anyone NOT try to take his stack?


ok, the more detailed version: i'm playing in a 3-handed 10-20 game at bellagio last night, one guy was a reg, the other a 40-ish y/o swedish guy. swedish guy is enebriated, but not to the point of having lost his faculties. he's playing just fine, not poorly at all. we've been chatting, he gave me his business card, a website where you can buy pieces of tournament players. anyhow, in this hand swedish guy is the sb, i'm bb.

so button folds, swedish guy raises to 100. i have 6c5c, and before i can call, he flashes me the ace of spades. wtf? so i'm like, "what are you doing? you're gonna play your hand with one card exposed? well i DEFINITELY have to call now."

so i call, and the flop comes 432r. oooook. he bets 200, i go, "well, the best you can have is one-pair. unless you flopped a wheel," and raise to 600. he then reraises 1500 on top, with about 2800 behind (i cover). i take about 10 secs deciding whether to smoothcall or push right there, and just as i'm about to say, "i'm all-in," he shows me his other card, the 5! W T F ?

i'm gonna stop right there and not tell just yet what happened after that point. what would YOU do in my spot? basically the guy was saying, with his actions although not with words: i've got you crushed, save your money. i can trap you but i'm not gonna do that. do you have ANY inclination to cut the guy a break? since he tried to give YOU a break FIRST? or do you take his money?

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call and show a 6.

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i would still push. if hes dumb enuf to make the call after you've seen his cards and STILL shoved, then he doesnt deserve $

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lol no push

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Take his money please.

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the only thing i might do is let him take the 900 back, he was gonna keep it, so thats the only thing i might do....but you still have only known him for a day

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I'd mirror what he did. Push, flash cards.

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LOL, then show him the 5 and push...

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push

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Pretend that you missaw his hand and tell him that you can't believe he's reraising you with A-4 and showing his cards, and then push all in.

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so it's not enough just to stack him after he tries to save you money, you actually want to do so by deceiving him further? ok, you're a real winner.

beat you to your edit. true colors, sir.

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i would still push. if hes dumb enuf to make the call after you've seen his cards and STILL shoved, then he doesnt deserve $

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I would just call and hope he shoves the turn. I play poker to win money and never play soft vs anyone.

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no ethics involved really just shove - i mean wtf else can you have after that? i would probably laugh and say this is pretty sick for you or something. i would just be completely straightforward and not feel bad about any of it.

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Unless you guys had a really good rapport and were planning to go clubbing after this or something, I don't understand why you wouldn't shove. Not to mention that if you softplay here it's a pretty slippery slope to collusion.

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Take his money please.

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I agree and take his money w/o hesitation
Believe me...if you had the wheel,and he had the 56, I would bet my life he aint shippin' you a dime ,and he would go into a drunk "i didnt know/realize" BS ...or even lets run it two times rant.

No friends in my book here

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I would just call and hope he shoves the turn. I play poker to win money and never play soft vs anyone.

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i don't softplay. but i also do NOT play poker just for the money. i play for competition as well, and when the playing field is not level, then i'm not beating someone fair-and-square, and that detracts from the satisfaction of competing.

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I would just call and hope he shoves the turn. I play poker to win money and never play soft vs anyone.

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i don't softplay. but i also do NOT play poker just for the money. i play for competition as well, and when the playing field is not level, then i'm not beating someone fair-and-square, and that detracts from the satisfaction of competing.

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right but, first and foremost it's for the money right? Plus, he's the one that tilted the playing field in your favor. It's a mistake on his part.

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exactly

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show a 5 and push

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It's a mistake on his part.

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if you want to call an act of kindness a mistake.

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Look this is easy. If he wasn't messing around and showing cards, and the hand was straight up, there's a 100% chance you would stack him right?

Why should his messing around cost you money? I could see not taking an extra advantage off of someone's kindness, but this is not that. You stacking him is what this hand is meant to be, and it's not fair for you to give that up.

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are you trying to advocate folding or something? If you really wanna be nice then just shove and maybe he can figure it out, if not call and he'll probably think you have a set and he'll shove non-pairing turns at least if not any.

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no ethics involved really just shove - i mean wtf else can you have after that? i would probably laugh and say this is pretty sick for you or something. i would just be completely straightforward and not feel bad about any of it.

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i guess you're right. i think what i should've done is push, then be as blatantly obvious as possible that i have 56, or as another poster replied, shove, and mirror what he did and flip 'em up.

what i did instead was offer him a deal. well, i asked him if he wanted to make a deal. when i asked him that, he realized he was in a pretty sick spot. he offered, "let's chop it." i said, "i can't do that, but i'll let you take back your 1500 raise if you fold and give me the pot."

i did NOT show him my cards as we were discussing this. i was planning not to show my cards even if he did accept my proposal. he thought for a long time, like 5 mins, and actually mucked. even as he folded, he said, "i still don't believe you have a better hand than me," then offered me a black chip ($100) to see. i took the black chip and showed him.

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swedish guy raises to 100. i have 6c5c, and before i can call, he flashes me the ace of spades.

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People who do this need to get stacked.

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there's a 100% chance you would stack him right?

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it chops 13% of the time

but yeah shove and get his money

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lower the stakes about 10 times. a friend of mine did this. I shoved. He folded. I showed a bluff..

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I call here 100% of the time, then get it in on the turn or river (depending on how I think I can maximize my expectation).
Afterwards I tell him to never do that again because I hate to win that way against friendly ppl (apparently I don't hate it against douchebags).
Afterwards invite him for a [censored] awesome expensive meal, you pay everything.

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show a 5 and push

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I like this one...

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I think push and show your cards is the correct play.

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call and show a 6.

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haha this didn't get enough love

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Act like you are doing some math calculations and call.

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whatever you do... don't fold. if you're playin basketball, and the guy that's guarding you steps aside and lets you have a free lane to the basket- would you take a long 3 instead cuz you'd feel bad layin it up? i just don't get what you're thinking here.

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consider this doesnt only happen when we have the nuts, it also happens when we are bluffing or have two pair and pair+oesd, so the guy is being really nice. i like shoving and then showing him a card, probably the 6.

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Ok I understand where you're coming from with your post but the problem is, is that imagine he doesn't show his cards here. You're still taking his stack so yes he's trying to be nice but don't throw money down the drain !

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Call for sur.e

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If you wanna do the karma thing then I would shove and show my hand. That would be returning the favour. I don't see why you would give him his last raise back.

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whatever you do... don't fold. if you're playin basketball, and the guy that's guarding you steps aside and lets you have a free lane to the basket- would you take a long 3 instead cuz you'd feel bad layin it up? i just don't get what you're thinking here.

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some players could make over 66% open 3pointers so they should probably shoot the 3.

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whatever you do... don't fold. if you're playin basketball, and the guy that's guarding you steps aside and lets you have a free lane to the basket- would you take a long 3 instead cuz you'd feel bad layin it up? i just don't get what you're thinking here.

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some players could make over 66% open 3pointers so they should probably shoot the 3.

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no he's defending you on the 3 (the level playing field OP was talking about)

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id call

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Just shove and he will figure it out. Tough spot between balancing ethics and playing to win money.