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Rodolphe 10-25-2007 05:16 PM

16$ : 77 early in position.
 
Stupid call on the turn ?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1470)
CO (t1380)
Hero (t1470)
SB (t1460)
BB (t1720)
UTG (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t100</font>, Hero calls t40.

Flop: (t210) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t210) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t60</font>, Hero calls t60.

River: (t330) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t330

pdiggz 10-25-2007 05:28 PM

Re: 16$ : 77 early in position.
 
I think the call on the turn is fine, if you bet the river. Why do you check the river? He bets river with an Ace. I would think you fold out a lot of better hands by betting on the river. PP like 99,TT,JJ might fold, figuring you have an Ace in your hand.

Calling turn and then not betting the river when checked to, doesn't make much sense to me.

vers 10-25-2007 05:32 PM

Re: 16$ : 77 early in position.
 
I'd limp pre even on the btn. Turn call is fine. I like riv check, opponent doubtfully has much of a hand here and you won't fold out better hands.

TruFloridaGator 10-25-2007 05:36 PM

Re: 16$ : 77 early in position.
 
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I think the call on the turn is fine, if you bet the river. Why do you check the river? He bets river with an Ace. I would think you fold out a lot of better hands by betting on the river. PP like 99,TT,JJ might fold, figuring you have an Ace in your hand.

Calling turn and then not betting the river when checked to, doesn't make much sense to me.

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No one who isn't a regular is every folding to a bet here on the river with 99-KK. You would have to make a big bet to get a fold vs most &amp; even than, JJ-KK is probably calling, especially based on hero's line up until the river.

OP, you played it fine.

pdiggz 10-25-2007 05:37 PM

Re: 16$ : 77 early in position.
 
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I'd limp pre even on the btn. Turn call is fine. I like riv check, opponent doubtfully has much of a hand here and you won't fold out better hands.

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I think a bet on the river might fold out better hands that don't have an Ace in them [ex. JJ,TT]. Am i completely wrong here?

vers 10-25-2007 05:39 PM

Re: 16$ : 77 early in position.
 
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I'd limp pre even on the btn. Turn call is fine. I like riv check, opponent doubtfully has much of a hand here and you won't fold out better hands.

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I think a bet on the river might fold out better hands that don't have an Ace in them [ex. JJ,TT]. Am i completely wrong here?

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YES.

pdiggz 10-25-2007 05:46 PM

Re: 16$ : 77 early in position.
 
Ok, that is good to know that those mid-high PP hands aren't folding here.

Mental note: try not to bluff by represent Ace in these spots to players who's fold button does not work.

JOHANSON YO 10-25-2007 10:37 PM

Re: 16$ : 77 early in position.
 
JJ, TT deff are not going anywhere.

Kevin8423 10-26-2007 01:09 AM

Re: 16$ : 77 early in position.
 
If you bet this river it's for value against worse hands, not to get better ones to fold (because they won't). Since that would be a pretty thin bet the check is good.


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