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that_pope 07-20-2007 01:18 PM

I Play Weak-Tight
 
Casino AZ 20/40 game that I have been crushing. I am up almost 4 racks in under 3 hours, and a few at the table are doing everything they can to stay out of my way, while others are simply oblivious. UTG is fairly loose and aggressive, but can find folds once in awhile if he thinks he is beat. MP1 is loose as hell and can never find a fold in him. The other cold callers are loose passive idiots who love two cards that have the same shape on them. BB is scared of me, which is the only reason he folds preflop.

UTG raises, I three bet AQo in UTG+1, MP1 tries to call 2 bets, I point out it is three, and he calls even though action hasn't passed him. Two other people come along, and both blinds fold, and UTG calls.

Flop comes AK5 rainbow, UTG checks, I bet, MP1 raises, two folds, UTG threeballs, and I...

Also, am I being too agressive at a 9 handed table with AQo in UTG+1?

ProfessorBen 07-20-2007 01:34 PM

Re: I Play Weak-Tight
 
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UTG is fairly loose and aggressive, but can find folds once in awhile if he thinks he is beat.

Also, am I being too agressive at a 9 handed table with AQo in UTG+1?

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No.

I think there's a reasonable chance that will are still ahead here just because I believe a LAG would cap AK/AA/KK preflop, but I don't like the fact that we have to pay 2 bets. I wouldn't begrudge a fold too much, but I think I call here just so we can see if MP caps. If he does, I think we can lay it down on the turn. If he doesn't, I'm thinking about raising the turn bet by UTG(non J or T) as one of my final bets into the pot but probably just getting to showdown immediately.

This spot is difficult for me and may be considered spew.

mongidig 07-20-2007 01:39 PM

Re: I Play Weak-Tight
 
In this situation your reraise is correct preflop based upon your read of UTG. Hopefully you can limit the field a little bit even though it sounds like a loose table. If the UTG was a tight raiser or a TAG I may just fold here.

As far as the rest of the hand goes I think you should fold. I know these guys are lags but you have been running over the game, three bet preflop, and your still getting lots of action on a not draw heavy board. Sure your may have outs if behind to hands like K5 or A5 but you know it is going to cost you to find out.

This is are my thoughts based upon the information you have given. If you have a read that these players tend to overplay their hands then that is a different story. I will take a guess and say A5 takes this down.

bernie 07-20-2007 01:43 PM

Re: I Play Weak-Tight
 
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MP1 is loose as hell and can never find a fold in him. The other cold callers are loose passive idiots who love two cards that have the same shape on them.

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If the guys behind you are that loose, I might not be seeing the flop with AQo here.
The chance you're limiting the field here is small, imo.

b

ProfessorBen 07-20-2007 01:47 PM

Re: I Play Weak-Tight
 
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MP1 is loose as hell and can never find a fold in him. The other cold callers are loose passive idiots who love two cards that have the same shape on them.

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If the guys behind you are that loose, I might not be seeing the flop with AQo here.
The chance you're limiting the field here is small, imo.

b

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Passing up the opportunity to iso a LAG with AQ is flushing money down the toilet.

mongidig 07-20-2007 01:52 PM

Re: I Play Weak-Tight
 
Even if you are unable to isolate the UTG you are still punishing the other idiots who decide to call with a hand that might just be best preflop.

MitchL 07-20-2007 01:57 PM

Re: I Play Weak-Tight
 
Not when UTG is loose and you are owning the table. Continue to steamroll and make them adjust.

Howard Beale 07-20-2007 02:03 PM

Re: I Play Weak-Tight
 
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Casino AZ 20/40 game that I have been crushing. I am up almost 4 racks in under 3 hours, and a few at the table are doing everything they can to stay out of my way, while others are simply oblivious. UTG is fairly loose and aggressive, but can find folds once in awhile if he thinks he is beat. MP1 is loose as hell and can never find a fold in him. The other cold callers are loose passive idiots who love two cards that have the same shape on them. BB is scared of me, which is the only reason he folds preflop.

UTG raises, I three bet AQo in UTG+1, MP1 tries to call 2 bets, I point out it is three, and he calls even though action hasn't passed him. Two other people come along, and both blinds fold, and UTG calls.

Flop comes AK5 rainbow, UTG checks, I bet, MP1 raises, two folds, UTG threeballs, and I...

Also, am I being too agressive at a 9 handed table with AQo in UTG+1?

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I think maybe you're going to have to start taking your current image into account when making this type of decision. If UTG is a steady regular who knows that you're beating the game to death over the last couple of months and he is not the 'I've got to try and get revenge' type this is a likely fold. The CAZ game is not LA or LV. The player pool is smaller w/ fewer tourists. What I'm trying to say (doesn't look pretty so far) is that this decision is player dependant, imo, not a technical matter.

If we are all there together point out who UTG is and I can give you a better answer.

btw: How do you get the monies home? Brinks? [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

Captain R 07-20-2007 02:06 PM

Re: I Play Weak-Tight
 
I just call. If MP just calls, I would strongly think about popping the turn if you think UTG could have AJ/AT here. If MP cold-calls the turn, I probably check the river.

MP worries me the most in this hand.

that_pope 07-20-2007 02:14 PM

Re: I Play Weak-Tight
 
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Casino AZ 20/40 game that I have been crushing. I am up almost 4 racks in under 3 hours, and a few at the table are doing everything they can to stay out of my way, while others are simply oblivious. UTG is fairly loose and aggressive, but can find folds once in awhile if he thinks he is beat. MP1 is loose as hell and can never find a fold in him. The other cold callers are loose passive idiots who love two cards that have the same shape on them. BB is scared of me, which is the only reason he folds preflop.

UTG raises, I three bet AQo in UTG+1, MP1 tries to call 2 bets, I point out it is three, and he calls even though action hasn't passed him. Two other people come along, and both blinds fold, and UTG calls.

Flop comes AK5 rainbow, UTG checks, I bet, MP1 raises, two folds, UTG threeballs, and I...

Also, am I being too agressive at a 9 handed table with AQo in UTG+1?

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I think maybe you're going to have to start taking your current image into account when making this type of decision. If UTG is a steady regular who knows that you're beating the game to death over the last couple of months and he is not the 'I've got to try and get revenge' type this is a likely fold. The CAZ game is not LA or LV. The player pool is smaller w/ fewer tourists. What I'm trying to say (doesn't look pretty so far) is that this decision is player dependant, imo, not a technical matter.

If we are all there together point out who UTG is and I can give you a better answer.

btw: How do you get the monies home? Brinks? [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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The UTG was the same guy that was between us while you were still at the table. But this hand happened after you moved to the main game, so you weren't the BB that was scared of me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. If you need further clarification, you spilled his rock star and he bummed a smoke off of you.


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