Value bet this river?
 

Early hand in a $10 tourney

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t20/t40
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t3000
UTG+1: t3000
UTG+2: t3000
MP1: t2960
MP2: t3000
MP3: t2980
CO: t3040
Hero: t3417
SB: t3020
BB: t2583

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is Button with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
5 folds, MP3 calls t40 <font color="#aaaaaa">(pot was t60)</font>, CO folds, Hero calls t40 <font color="#aaaaaa">(pot was t100)</font>, SB calls t20 <font color="#aaaaaa">(pot was t140)</font>, BB checks.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t160, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t160, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t160, 4 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets t318</font>, MP3 folds, Hero ??? <font color="#aaaaaa"></font>

Re: Value bet this river?
 

What's w/ BB overbet and the 18? I raise to 1000 straight and call a push. My guess is he hit his 2nd pair w/ the 2 (if he had A5 or slowplayed 56, well, that's poker) and I want the opportunity to stack him.

Re: Value bet this river?
 

I think I make a raise here. I doubt BB has 56 as there are two hearts on the board when the 4 comes, and I'm sure he's betting there with three others in the pot. So you're worried about a bigger set and A5.

Since the BB could have anything, I like a min-raise here. I doubt SB is calling BB's original bet, so flat calling in the hopes of SB calling too isn't as good as min raising and hoping BB calls your raise with one or two pair, in my opinion. Anyone else not make a min-raise here?

Re: Value bet this river?
 

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What's w/ BB overbet and the 18? I raise to 1000 straight and call a push.

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"lol"

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I think I make a raise here. I doubt BB has 56 as there are two hearts on the board when the 4 comes, and I'm sure he's betting there with three others in the pot.

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yeah sure he could, or, he could be a typical player at www.partypoker.com

Re: Value bet this river?
 

minraises are for pussy's, make it 3x

Re: Value bet this river?
 

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minraises are for pussy's, make it 3x

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Yeah the only reason I thought min raise was if he was betting this with one pair and you wanted to keep him in the hand. Two pair is definitely coming along for the ride, so I think you're right.

Re: Value bet this river?
 

You have a point, but I want to get some money in there and I HATE it when ppl make these weird asss raises. If they fold, well, I'll take the pot right there and won't show that I rivered them, but if they think they can buy this pot with a bet that looks big (uses more chips on the screen) they are sorely mistaken.

Re: Value bet this river?
 

you guys honestly think you're usually best for some reason and that he calls a raise, don't you

Re: Value bet this river?
 

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you guys honestly think you're usually best for some reason and that he calls a raise, don't you

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do you just want to call?
I think I'm always raising here, but I'd love to hear a good reason for otherwise.

Re: Value bet this river?
 

Easy call here.



There's a good chance that you're beat here. In fact, you probably are. If you raise, you are only getting value out of something like K7, or making a bluff fold anyway.