Who banned Clarkmeister?
 

He was banned permanently. Note says "Nasty comments concerning Hal" and there isn't any note as to who did it.

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Mason

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Banning Clarkmeister is almost as LOL as banning El Diablo.

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agreed, I see the reason now, but no way that should be permanent. I think a one or two day punishment at most is enough for someone I'd rate as one of the 5 best all-around posters to ever post on this site.

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Wow wowowowowowwowow.

For what it's worth, I think that while what Clark said is a bit distasteful, that's hardly perma ban level given the type of discipline we usually hand out. If that was NVG it would be a delete post/2 day ban at worst.

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My assumption is that Clarkmeister would be best advised to deal with Mason directly on the subject. Perhaps an apology is in order?

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Mason did say "enjoy your vacation," not "have a nice life" or whatever, so I'm guessing it's possible he plans to unban Clarkmeister in a day or two?

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HAHAHAHAHA!

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I'm curious what Clarkmeister has against this "fat blind Hal" person (his words, don't ban me plz). He's not afraid to dole out insults, but he's usually got something behind it.

Also, it's not like he's a friend of mine or anything, we get into arguments all the time (usually about golf or how the 1993 Phoenix Suns were clearly >>>>>>> 1993 Chicago Bulls) but he's super sharp and wins more of them than I care to admit. Whoops, I just did.

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Totally agreed. And im pretty sure im on his ignore list and I still think this.

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Totally agreed. And im pretty sure im on his ignore list and I still think this.

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does clark post anything useful anymore? or is he just crotchety in the sports forum and mean to everybody?

not questioning his contributions to the site, just wondering b/c i can't remember the last time i saw a post from him that i thought was at all remarkable. i don't read LHE forums though.

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Before we all get our panties in a bunch, how simple is an apology? Seriously.

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Note says "Nasty comments concerning Hal"

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Unban me, Mason.

I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.



i couldn't have been the only one thinking this.

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Before we all get our panties in a bunch, how simple is an apology? Seriously.

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What for?

The more I read Clark's post, the less out of line I think he is. I can see deleting the post, but punishing Clark for having an opinion and calling somebody fat is hardly banworthy.

I think what we're looking for here is some degree of consistency, and I hope that despite it being Mason's forum, Mason should be part of that.

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lollllllllllllllllllllll [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] euro

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dude, mason runs the website, mason likes hal, clark doesn't like hal. mason says, 'kick rocks nugga'. end of story. wtf are we talking about it for? it's his world, we're just livin in it.

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The more I read Clark's post, the less out of line I think he is. I can see deleting the post, but punishing Clark for having an opinion and calling somebody fat is hardly banworthy.

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Common courtesy.

Call me old fashioned.

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Banning Clarkmeister is almost as LOL as banning El Diablo.

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I'd laugh.

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does clark post anything useful anymore? or is he just crotchety in the sports forum and mean to everybody?

not questioning his contributions to the site, just wondering b/c i can't remember the last time i saw a post from him that i thought was at all remarkable. i don't read LHE forums though.

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Well, since you are Captain Hate I'm sure you're good at recognizing it.

Seriously, Clark does tend to be grouchy and maybe his best posting days are behind him, but he is also spot-on in his arguments and he is a very good contributor to the golf forum (which is the new OOT LDO since you kicked everyone out of it).

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This is not worth a ban, imo, especially for such a valued member of the forum. Maybe a day off or something at most.

If Mason banned someone every time they called Dids fat we would lose about 80% of our user base.

No other comment besides calling him fat can I possibly see worth a ban...that Clark's glad he got knocked out, or that he's slow at the table, etc.

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does clark post anything useful anymore? or is he just crotchety in the sports forum and mean to everybody?

not questioning his contributions to the site, just wondering b/c i can't remember the last time i saw a post from him that i thought was at all remarkable. i don't read LHE forums though.

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Well, since you are Captain Hate I'm sure you're good at recognizing it.

Seriously, Clark does tend to be grouchy and maybe his best posting days are behind him, but he is also spot-on in his arguments and he is a very good contributor to the golf forum (which is the new OOT LDO since you kicked everyone out of it).

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I really should read that forum more often...damn.

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E-Mac,

The trolling is out of control in there, I really wish you would pitch in and help once in awhile.

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The more I read Clark's post, the less out of line I think he is. I can see deleting the post, but punishing Clark for having an opinion and calling somebody fat is hardly banworthy.

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Common courtesy.

Call me old fashioned.

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I will!

If common courtesy was a standard we applied on this board, everybody including 95% of the mods would be banned.

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tuw,

Ill bring the ban-hammer, you bring the nails.

Back on subject now pls. I think Clark does add a lot to golf and sports, Id like to see him unbanned.

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The more I read Clark's post, the less out of line I think he is. I can see deleting the post, but punishing Clark for having an opinion and calling somebody fat is hardly banworthy.

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Common courtesy.

Call me old fashioned.

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I will!

If common courtesy was a standard we applied on this board, everybody including 95% of the mods would be banned.

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yea, the OOT mods would be wiped out.

Telling it like it is>>>>>>common courtesy

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... or how the 1993 Phoenix Suns were clearly >>>>>>> 1993 Chicago Bulls)

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Which side of the debate do you take, tuq? This is like the most important question i've ever asked on 2p2.

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Mason and admins,

First off, as I've stated before, I don't have any problem with Mason doing whatever he wants regarding the forums. In this case, that means banning someone for saying something that is many levels under the threshold of conduct for which people are even warned. The posts Clark made, if about any individual who is not a friend of Mason's, would not even be considered for any type of punishment or moderation. Again, Mason's site, Mason's decision.

Having said that, the impression I get from Mat and Ryan in their posts here is that they are trying to expand 2+2 into more than just the poker discussion forum for 2+2 publishing, trying to build a community similar to other large online communities on the web, across a wide range of areas.

I don't believe you can really be successful at the latter if the policy is "Here are the forum rules, plus Mason/admins may at their personal discretion ban anyone for posting something they don't like, regardless of whether or not it violates any rules or policies of the forum."

Feel free to consider or ignore.

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All,

"Common courtesy."

That's why entertainme thinks Clark's posts are banworthy.

I personally have been a big proponent for having certain levels of conduct when it comes to common courtesy on the forums.

Does anyone have a problem with using Clark's posts as a litmus test for banning people? In other words, if people make posts that are more offensive/insulting than Clarkmeister's, they are subject to banning.

Agreed?

If this is agreed as policy, then I retract my prior post, as it would eliminate that whole issue.

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I do, it would turn modding into a 40-hr a week job.

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I am guessing something else is going on here. Perhaps Mason is pissed with him about something else and decided to ban him. Of course I think baning someone like Clark is ridiculous.

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"Are you kidding me OP,how can you make such a lowlife post like that?

And MM is being kind.......because Hal is 100x better than the jackass person you come off to be?

You should rot in Hell! "

I see no notes about this dude getting punished. Which is just funny to me.

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This is such a pointless debate.

It's obvious what Mason is doing, and it's obvious that CM will be unbanned in a day or two. Period.

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I am guessing something else is going on here. Perhaps Mason is pissed with him about something else and decided to ban him. Of course I think baning someone like Clark is ridiculous.

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I would guess that RR might be correct. I also think that banning him is a bad idea, there are other ways to accomplish the same goal.

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I do, it would turn modding into a 40-hr a week job.

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Agree.

Also I think it's basic unrealistic and unecessary given 2p2's target demos.

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"Here are the forum rules, plus Mason/admins may at their personal discretion ban anyone for posting something they don't like, regardless of whether or not it violates any rules or policies of the forum."


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Ultimately the terms and conditions of virtually every site out there say that. So regardless of this ban, I'm not sure I follow.


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Mason did say "enjoy your vacation," not "have a nice life" or whatever, so I'm guessing it's possible he plans to unban Clarkmeister in a day or two?

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Yeah, it will probably end up being something like that. What tends to happen is that Mason will leave the duration up to Mat or they'll at least discuss it.

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All,

"Common courtesy."

That's why entertainme thinks Clark's posts are banworthy.

I personally have been a big proponent for having certain levels of conduct when it comes to common courtesy on the forums.

Does anyone have a problem with using Clark's posts as a litmus test for banning people? In other words, if people make posts that are more offensive/insulting than Clarkmeister's, they are subject to banning.

Agreed?

If this is agreed as policy, then I retract my prior post, as it would eliminate that whole issue.

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Actually my "common courtesy" comment was in reference to what I see as the solution to Clark being banned.

We're guests in Mason's home.
Hal is a friend of Mason's.
Clark insults Hal.
Mason takes offense and kicks out Clark.

Having offended the host, it's just common courtesy to apologize. From what I know Mason is reasonable. I presume that if Clark were to apologize that Mason would agree that the offense doesn't merit a permaban.

I don't understand why this isn't plain common sense.

I agree that I would like to see a higher standard for courtesy forum wide, but wasn't proposing using Clark's post as a benchmark.

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This is all being handled between Mason and clark.

He'll be unbanned in a day or two.

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entertainme,

"Having offended the host, it's just common courtesy to apologize."

That is fine.

However, that was not my perception regarding where Mat/Ryan were talking about taking 2+2.

Major online community/media/etc sites have owners and management. That doesn't give them carte blanche to do whatever they want with content on their sites.

On the other hand, there are countless blogs and small websites that are basically the personal fiefdom of whoever runs them and comments/content/etc. is allowed or not based on the personal discretion of the owner.

2+2 is perfectly free to operate in either manner. I was just operating under the false assumption that it was trying to be in the former category.

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Ryan,

"Ultimately the terms and conditions of virtually every site out there say that. So regardless of this ban, I'm not sure I follow."

See my post above addressed to entertainme.

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Which side of the debate do you take, tuq? This is like the most important question i've ever asked on 2p2.

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Well you're from Chicago so there's no way you're gonna agree with me, but anyway here goes.

The Suns were a better team than the Bulls that year. The better team doesn't always win. They won the most games in the regular season, but that's not my only argument. Danny Ainge, who played for the Blazers team that lost to the Bulls the previous year said (paraphrasing) "this one hurts more because last year Chicago was the better team. This year we were."

The Suns were Finals noobs, whereas the Bulls were two-time defending champions who had hardened playoff skillz from tangling with the Pistons prior to that. So the Suns put up no fight in going down 0-2, both games at home.

Then they woke up and in their three games in Chicago won game three in triple overtime, barely lost game four (MJ went for something like 55 that game) and then took game five pretty easily.

Speaking of Ainge, he pretty much cost the Suns the series when, for reasons that will forever elude me, he decide to double team Horace Grant, leaving Paxson open for the dagger three when the Suns were up two. It's not just that Horace Grant making a two would merely tie the game and give the Suns the last shot, it was that Horace Grant had made one freaking shot in games five and six combined.

So in those last four games the Suns were 2-2, 2-1 on the road, and both losses were in the last minute.

Granted, that was possibly the weakest of the Bulls championship teams. 1998 where they also narrowly escaped (that time to the Jazz) was pretty weak too.

Clarkmeister argues that had MJ not retired they would have run off eight straight. I say no way, his taking time off and coming back motivated and giving guys like Pippen a taste of life without him is a huge reason they won the last three titles.