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hirschi 11-17-2007 11:01 AM

icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 
u call this normaly?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP2 (t2580)
CO (t2720)
Button (t1075)
SB (t1150)
Hero (t2620)
UTG (t1540)
UTG+1 (t445)
MP1 (t1370)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t2720</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero

JustLuck 11-17-2007 11:14 AM

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 
unless CO has been the biggest nit in the world i instacall

DevinLake 11-17-2007 03:22 PM

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 
It's close. Obviously would depend on reads. He won't be super wide here. He does have a hand he's willing to play for stacks with, when he could be making a standard raise.

I think it's probably a fold. But again, reads are important in poker.

Apathy 11-17-2007 04:14 PM

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 
remember u can usually subtract AA, KK, QQ from peoples ranges here

fanapathy 11-17-2007 04:55 PM

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 
How the hell is this a call ?

How does ICM tell you that this is a call ? You put him on 20% or something ?

Fold, I really do not think this is the spot to call off. Yeah he can have any pair, unlikely lower than 55, but so many more times overcards; we're flipping against his range. Unless he's doing that all the time there's no need to get involved there. Have TT to call, if I read correctly that this is 100/200.

JustLuck 11-17-2007 05:01 PM

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 
thats exactly my point apathy
at this level (remember its a 15$) i have seen people do that with any pair and crap like A5s and A8o

HajiShirazu 11-17-2007 07:14 PM

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 
I think he has like 77-JJ, AJ-AK. So I would probably fold this and call with tens.

Rick Diesel 11-17-2007 07:37 PM

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 
I think this is a pretty easy call. He has an underpair or hand such as A6s way more often than people think.

crystalallen 11-17-2007 08:21 PM

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 
If I folded this I would sit there for the next few rounds, being blinded out, looking at all the 74o and various other crap hands I'm getting and wishing I had played my nines.

But don't listen to me, I don't even know what ICM does.

crystalallen 11-17-2007 09:35 PM

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 
Read dependent.

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t120 (3 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB (t3785)
Hero (t1765)
SB (t3450)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t480</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2065 (All-In)</font>, BB calls t1285.

Flop: (t3890) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>
.

Turn: (t3890) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t3890) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t3890

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Ks 7h (one pair, sevens).
Hero has 9h 9s (one pair, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins t3590. BB wins t300. </font>


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