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McStinky 10-29-2007 01:31 PM

10/25 NL live did I play AA right?
 
Foxwoods 10/25, 10-handed.

Villain is a careful player who thinks, but doesn't seem to be super strong. His image of me is that I don't play many hands but can raise with a wide range of hands preflop, and I play well after the flop.

Villain has 6000, I cover.

I am in MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Preflop
One limper and I raise to 125. All fold to villain in the BB who calls. Original limper folds.

Flop (275): K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Villain checks, I bet 200, and villain calls. At this point I put him on AK, KQ, QQ, JJ, 44, 55, with a small chance of something strange.

Turn (675): 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Villain leads out for 300, and I decide to just call. Would anyone raise here? I think his most likely hands at this point are KQ and AK, but other stuff is definitely possible.

River (1275): J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Villain checks fairly quickly, and I decide I am going to represent a bluff. I will pretend to be trying to represent KJ or JJ while holding 56 or 66. I bet 850. What do you think?

HERE_2_gamble_ 10-29-2007 01:33 PM

Re: 10/25 NL live did I play AA right?
 
dont really understand what your saying but def bet

g-p 10-29-2007 01:44 PM

Re: 10/25 NL live did I play AA right?
 
u dont need to rep a bluff, hes calling with king anyway

Praetor 10-29-2007 01:46 PM

Re: 10/25 NL live did I play AA right?
 
one thousand dollars

McStinky 10-29-2007 01:49 PM

Re: 10/25 NL live did I play AA right?
 
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u dont need to rep a bluff, hes calling with king anyway

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I know it isn't so important here, but if he has KQ then I do need to make him think I am bluffing. Seems pretty clear that there is no hand worse than KQ that I would bet for value.

stephenNUTS 10-29-2007 02:05 PM

Re: 10/25 NL live did I play AA right?
 
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u dont need to rep a bluff, hes calling with king anyway

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I know it isn't so important here, but if he has KQ then I do need to make him think I am bluffing. Seems pretty clear that there is no hand worse than KQ that I would bet for value.

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Whats the diff. if he has AK or KQ?
Your hand is NOT a bluff...if anything its decent value bet?

McStinky 10-29-2007 02:09 PM

Re: 10/25 NL live did I play AA right?
 
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u dont need to rep a bluff, hes calling with king anyway

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I know it isn't so important here, but if he has KQ then I do need to make him think I am bluffing. Seems pretty clear that there is no hand worse than KQ that I would bet for value.

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Whats the diff. if he has AK or KQ?
Your hand is NOT a bluff...if anything its decent value bet?

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Obviously my bet is for value. My point was just that I need him to think that I could be bluffing.

stephenNUTS 10-29-2007 02:21 PM

Re: 10/25 NL live did I play AA right?
 
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u dont need to rep a bluff, hes calling with king anyway

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I know it isn't so important here, but if he has KQ then I do need to make him think I am bluffing. Seems pretty clear that there is no hand worse than KQ that I would bet for value.

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Whats the diff. if he has AK or KQ?
Your hand is NOT a bluff...if anything its decent value bet?

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Obviously my bet is for value. My point was just that I need him to think that I could be bluffing.

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All kidding aside ,so if you want him to "think" you are bluffing and he shoves the river.......I assume you then auto call?

I am not understanding what you are trying to accomplish here, with your thought process?

Why not just insta-shove yourself instead of betting $800,if you want the same outcome of him thinking you are bluffing?

Wouldnt he be MORE inclined to call then,compared to just betting,or are you trying to induce him to raise/shove the river after your bet?

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Nick Rivers 10-29-2007 02:30 PM

Re: 10/25 NL live did I play AA right?
 
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Obviously my bet is for value. My point was just that I need him to think that I could be bluffing.

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I'm pretty sure you achieve that whenever you bet the river here. He's going to think you could be bluffing. Anyone is going to have to assign you a range of hands with which you could have played the way you did, and it's entirely possible that, by the river, you're no good. Thus, it really has nothing to do with you at this point (unless you're some sort of reverse tell expert who can induce fake soul reading). I think a $1000 or maybe $900 river bet is the way to go. I don't think $800 maxes out your value.

DLizzle 10-29-2007 02:35 PM

Re: 10/25 NL live did I play AA right?
 
you're thinking too many levels above yourself and your opponents. but betting 850 is good here, and I would probably fold to a raise


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